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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Sep 22, 2018 - 09:51pm PT
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c'mon now you scurvy dogs, what the heck is that last one? for the record, I clipped each one on the way up on their respective pitches, and then they fell out with a shake of the sling on the descent.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 22, 2018 - 10:12pm PT
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You're in the Army now...
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Sep 22, 2018 - 10:14pm PT
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That proto-KB looks non-army to me, and I know I've seen them somewhere, while the LA-style thing and steel hardware store 'biner are less curiousity-inducing (imo).
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Nov 15, 2018 - 11:43am PT
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Not very old, but a new mystery to me: Do you know where these were made?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 17, 2018 - 07:15pm PT
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Those look Russian to me. Ushba has offerings that resemble those lower wafer pitons in design.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Nov 18, 2018 - 09:06am PT
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Steve: Yes, they could very well be Russian...
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Nov 25, 2018 - 11:50am PT
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Do you know the history of Grivel pitons or when the Grivel pitons below were made?
The upper piton above is the lower piton below:
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 25, 2018 - 12:36pm PT
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Nice finds Marlow!
The finer stamp with the ellipse around it is more recent and likely early 1960s. The other is likely 1950s era and might have belonged to Toni Gobbi or one of the other members of the Gobbi family connected with the operation of Grivel.
Both pitons look to be entirely forged by hand and hence fairly early in production.
Unfortunately historical information and timelines are disappearing from manufacturer's websites making the dating even more difficult as knowledgeable older folks are becoming less accessible. A lot of work needs to be done here that I wish I was in a position to accomplish.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Nov 25, 2018 - 12:38pm PT
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Steve. Cool... thank you for the Gobbi connection...
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Nov 28, 2018 - 07:57pm PT
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Marlow - Nice Grivel pitons! The items in this photo are made in the Ukraine distributed by Gear 4 Rocks. I believe all of the items especially the fifi hook were made by Krok in Ukraine.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Dec 10, 2018 - 03:22pm PT
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not in my possession, but I am wondering what/who/when these are...
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 14, 2018 - 08:47am PT
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Without a stamp of some sort it is really tough to identify verticals. I have easily more than a dozen mystery verts in my collection. Finding a catalog match is about as good as you can hope for and that often lets you know only country of origin. Lots of work to be done in this area.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Dec 14, 2018 - 09:40am PT
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Thebravecowboy
Have you asked eispickel61?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Dec 14, 2018 - 09:54am PT
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No mystery. but the first time I see them: A primitive Cassin ice screw model
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 14, 2018 - 10:32am PT
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My one foray into ice climbing was with short-eye versions of those. I was skeptical of the entire enterprise to begin with and they add to my confidence.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 15, 2018 - 11:33am PT
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I have never seen those screws before. They strike me as too heavy.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 15, 2018 - 11:50am PT
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They might be heavier but that could mean they might hold a few hundred kilos,
huh? They look a lot beefier than those lame red shafted ones we had which
might keep you from falling off yer feet if you fell asleep on belay.
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nutstory
Trad climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
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Dec 15, 2018 - 12:16pm PT
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These Cassin ice screws are not mentioned in previous Au Vieux Campeur catalogs.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 15, 2018 - 12:24pm PT
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Those Grivel screws are certainly intriguing. Anybody have one for show and tell?
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