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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 30, 2012 - 08:03pm PT
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No, i'm telling you. You right now, if you're over 18, can go to a gun store, and buy an AK or ar-15.
They won't be fully automatic.
They have 10 round mags, and if they have a pistol grip, they're fixed to the body.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 30, 2012 - 08:03pm PT
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Have any of you anti-gun folks, ever not held / shot a gun?
You people who are pro-gun-violence, have you ever not shot anyone?
Yes. Your point?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 30, 2012 - 08:05pm PT
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116 counts of attempted murder.
Is it going to become standard to add one charge per shot?
Nutcases will go to sawed off shotguns.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jul 30, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
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Fully automatic is not legal anywhere right?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 30, 2012 - 08:07pm PT
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Wrong.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jul 30, 2012 - 08:08pm PT
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Well explain then.
The California and the expired Fed assault weapon bans apply only to semi-auto.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 30, 2012 - 08:08pm PT
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No, they're legal in a few states.
Where there are the most gun control laws, there is the most gun violence.
Never, would I use Wikipedia as a credible source. But check it out Mono.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state);
Not trying to prove anything, just showing you what states have which laws concerning handguns/long arms. CA sticks out a bunch.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jul 30, 2012 - 08:11pm PT
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New fully autos are not legal. There are rules about getting old ones from current owners.
The wiki site is credible.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jul 30, 2012 - 08:14pm PT
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Point me to the source where you can get new fully auto in California or anywhere in US.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 30, 2012 - 08:14pm PT
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Yeah, fully in Cali are not legal. I don't see a point for civilians to need full auto.
I can point you to a source. Not a specific one, but I can give you a general area to look in.
South Central. Talk to the baddest lookin mofo. He'll get you what you need.
Will it be legal? haha. ha...
To own a fully automatic legally in CA, you need to live outside of CA in a state that allows fully automatic weapons. You purchase and register your fully automatic weapon. You join the military and get stationed in CA. You register as a military personnel your full automatic weapon to the DOJ. You legally own a fully automatic weapon in CA.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 30, 2012 - 09:57pm PT
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Point me to the source where you can get new fully auto in California or anywhere in US.
Forget about California and the other states laws for a minute...
I'll try to clear up a few misconceptions here...
Federal Law does not ban the sale of full auto machine guns as long as they were made or registered with the ATF before May-19th 1986.
MG's made before that date are referred to as "fully transferable".
Any machine gun made after that date (referred to as "post samples or dealer samples", can only be sold to law enforcement, the military or a Class III dealer.
A class 3 dealer is an FFL holder that has applied, paid for and received their SOT (special occupational tax) "license" in order to be able to manufacture, export, and buy and sell class 3 weapons.
You can still buy a brand new machine gun that was made before 1986 but never fired...
but they are very rare anymore.
Private owners wishing to purchase an NFA item must be 21, obtain approval from the ATF, obtain a signature from the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) who is the county sheriff or city or town chief of police (not necessarily permission), pass an extensive background check to include submitting a photograph and fingerprints, fully register the firearm, receive ATF written permission before moving the firearm across state lines, and pay a $200 tax.
If you want one,here are a few places to look...
http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/Firearms/MachineGuns_Suppressors/TransferableMachineGuns.cat
http://www.autoweapons.com/products/products.html
http://www.impactguns.com/machine-guns.aspx
http://www.nfasales.com/machineguns.htm
Totally banned in Kalifornia and a few other states.
Not here in Nevada though!
I know of one guy who lives up in the Tahoe are, who has been known to carry 2 full auto MP5's as his concealed carry guns.(I do not recommend doing that)
I know of another guy in town who owns not 1 but 2 fully transferable GE mini guns...they cost $250,000 each and that was 5 years ago!
Here is one of them in action...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jul 30, 2012 - 10:19pm PT
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Yes. Your point?
Well, I guess the point(s) would be, who did you shoot and why? If you shot yourself in self-defense (edited, out of kindness) that doesn't count.
It wasn't this guy was it, or was it?
Whilst on the subject, did you ever kill a cop for Huey?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jul 30, 2012 - 10:23pm PT
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^maybe you can get michaeld to shoot him?
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 30, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
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Your sources go a long way to explain why you are such a liberal cool-aid drinker.
Do you know how to form your own opinion or can you only repeat others?
Did you even watch the Scalia interview or just repeat what they told you he said?
he feels that shoulder launched missile ownership is constitutional Scalia never said that.
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Jul 30, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
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^^ And once again, logic rears its ugly head...
Never mind, this referred to DMT's deleted post. :-(
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 30, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
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FACT:
Scalia DID say that "hand carried" weapons were, in HIS opinion, Constitutional
because that is what Scalia PRESUMED the 2nd Amendment's authors "meant"
So, an RPG or any hand carried weapon, yes
However, Scalia is one member of a nine member court whose membership changes greatly through the decades
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 30, 2012 - 11:19pm PT
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Scalia DID say that "hand carried" weapons were, in HIS opinion, Constitutional
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 30, 2012 - 11:19pm PT
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Read into his words all you want, that is not what he said.
Quotes from the interview...
What the opinion in Heller said is that it will have to be decided in future cases what limitation on the right to keep and bear arms are permissable. Some undoubtedly are because there were some that were acknowledged at the time. Obviously the Amendment does not apply to arms that cannot be handcarried - to keep and bear, so it doesn't apply to cannons, but I suppose there are handheld rocket launchers that can bring down airplanes that will have to be decided.
So where does he say that he thinks they are constitutional?
He never used the word "could" either.
Feel free to read the entire transcript and then please quote the part where he says that.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2912502/posts
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 30, 2012 - 11:20pm PT
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This morning on Fox News Sunday, Justice Antonin Scalia reiterated just how extremely his Constitutional originalism can be applied. Referring to the recent shooting in Aurora, CO, host Chris Wallace asked the Supreme Court Justice about gun control, and whether the Second Amendment allows for any limitations to gun rights. Scalia admitted there could be, such as “frighting” (carrying a big ax just to scare people), but they would still have to be determined with an 18th-Century perspective in mind. According to his originalism, if a weapon can be hand-held, though, it probably still falls under the right o “bear arms”:
WALLACE: What about… a weapon that can fire a hundred shots in a minute?
SCALIA: We’ll see. Obviously the Amendment does not apply to arms that cannot be hand-carried — it’s to keep and “bear,” so it doesn’t apply to cannons — but I suppose here are hand-held rocket launchers that can bring down airplanes, that will have to be decided.
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