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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 06:40pm PT
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GOClimb we still have a number or two unaccounted for, it's possible they will turn up available, but we can't say at this time. If one does turn up and is available I'll contact you and let you know.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 07:14pm PT
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As a past ISO9001 auditor I have taken to looking into Shia self-flogging rituals to atone for my numerical sins on the project.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 20, 2011 - 07:15pm PT
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Memo to self:
1. Take D5 hammer to FaceLift.
2. Conk FatTrad on the noggin with same.
3. Report here, with photos.
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Slakkey
Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
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Jan 20, 2011 - 07:18pm PT
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thanks again guys I really like mine just cant wait to put it to some use soon. Might have to go find a old building with some cracks in it in the meantime and do a little Aid Buildering
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jan 20, 2011 - 07:19pm PT
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Anders
We'll be holding you to that in 2011
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Gene
climber
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Jan 20, 2011 - 07:20pm PT
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Anders,
Would you please do that at the base of the Nutcracker?
Thanks.
g
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Slakkey
Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
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Jan 20, 2011 - 07:22pm PT
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Hammerfest 2011
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 20, 2011 - 07:24pm PT
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Hammerfest is a port town in northern Norway. I volunteer to interpret.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jan 20, 2011 - 11:23pm PT
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Wow GOclimb, that sucks.
That is exactly the kind of thing I and a few others tried to warn
Joseph and Ihateplastic about on this very thread.
For some reason they decided to throw out "the list",
make it a free for all, first come first serve, and sell all the hammers as fast as possible.
Some suggested keeping a reserve in the case of any issues, whether cases like yours,
maybe some possible defect?, or any other unforeseen circumstance.
This was apparently not done.
The mere suggestion at the time, elicited the same selfish type of "too bad" responses we have seen,
and will no doubt, see more of.
Hopefully those guys can find one for you.
but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jan 21, 2011 - 01:31am PT
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That is exactly the kind of thing I and a few others tried to warn
Joseph and Ihateplastic about on this very thread.
For some reason they decided to throw out "the list",
make it a free for all, first come first serve, and sell all the hammers as fast as possible.
Some suggested keeping a reserve in the case of any issues, whether cases like yours,
maybe some possible defect?, or any other unforeseen circumstance.
This was apparently not done.
The mere suggestion at the time, elicited the same selfish type of "too bad" responses we have seen,
and will no doubt, see more of.
Hopefully those guys can find one for you.
but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Yes, we should have let Shack run this project. Of course, he showed up and helped out...right? Or put down the money for the project...right? Shack, why didn't you check in with GO and tell him to pay up? I'm with Billy goat, I feel bad for you GO, but don't show up after the fact bitching. What are folks suppose to do? If you were on the list them you got an email. Don't want to check your email, and don't want to check in with this thread, then you are relegated to the used market. As far as your idea of prepaying years ago goes, there's been at least one, maybe 2 dudes on the original list who have passed away. What would shack , had he been The Grand Pobah, have done then? Regardless, everyone who paid immediately started hounding and complaining where their hammers were within about a week, and the hammer worker bees were all over sending tracking numbers and did a fantastic job. Uhhh sorry, not the way it can be done. MTucker had 3 and was joking about selling them, he may have one he will sell you.
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Jan 21, 2011 - 12:13pm PT
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Uhhh sorry, not the way it can be done.
Because you let some people pre-pay, and they were anxious for updates? So what? It really wouldn't have been hard to start accepting payments a few months before ship-date. Pretty much any and everyone with a new product does that. But you did what you thought was best (free-for-all ). So be it. I took time off from Supertopo right at the wrong time, dealing with family stuff, and that's entirely my responsibility.
MTucker had 3 and was joking about selling them, he may have one he will sell you.
Not paying $600 for a hammer. No way no how. Sorry.
I'll take the $100 I've been saving and put it towards Rich's accident fund.
Over and out. Moving on.
GO
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jan 21, 2011 - 12:31pm PT
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I couldn’t agree more with GOclimb and Shack. On November 29th, I sent Joseph an 11-paragraph email, to explain this very problem (in addition to other problems) and to express my great frustrations with the way that the project was being “handled.”
These hammers should have cost us all $80.95, and no more, based on Joseph’s numbers.
Couchmaster, it’s obvious from your post that you don’t even know what you are talking about.
From day one, this hammer project has been filled with more bullshit than a Texas cattle ranch, thanks to Joseph!!!
Bryan
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jan 21, 2011 - 12:36pm PT
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Its been kind of a crazy project. But the guys making it happen poured their money and hard efforts into the whole thing for the benefit of all. I have a hard time knocking folks who were just trying to do this and recup their funds. That said, I got a hammer, and if GO would like one he can have it for what I paid for it, as I have 3 other (different)hammers, so don't need them all.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Jan 21, 2011 - 12:38pm PT
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A lot of volunteer work went into this and no one had to buy a hammer at any price. Those complaining about lack of extras should have bought extra hammers themselves if they were worried about it.
I'm sorry GO did not get one.
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Jan 21, 2011 - 12:41pm PT
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I think any time you have that much transparancy, you'll have folks that will pick it apart. Unfair.
100 bucks out-the-door was a fair price.
To come in after the fact and chip away at it seems petty.
Anyhoo...huge thanks to the gang for pulling this off!
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BrendenR
Trad climber
Alberta, Canada
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Jan 21, 2011 - 12:54pm PT
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I guess it really is true, No good deed goes unpunished.
As for the original list and number of hammers. My partner and I would have had 5 hammers ordered, Hard times changed that and I ordered 2 for us... that left 3 other hammers up for grabs, 3 more chances for others to order. Good odds for stragglers if you ask me.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Jan 21, 2011 - 01:28pm PT
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I thought the email attempts to all list members, and a fairly long window after that was just fine, and done in good faith by the D5 crew. It truly sucks for GoClimb, as the hammers are awesome, but given that folks on the list disappeared (death, tired of LEB, banned, etc), I'm not sure there was much they could do but keep bumping the thread up, which was on the front page for most of a month before they sold out.
So, sorry to hear you didn't get one, but they did email, and simply checking weekly would have been plenty.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Jan 21, 2011 - 01:30pm PT
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These are still available but you need to add shipping costs and that will push it well past $100. And don't forget Black Diamond is a corporation that does not give 15% to non-profit.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jan 21, 2011 - 01:41pm PT
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I never got an email.
No, 20 bucks isn’t a big deal. But the $5,000 (minimum) that was collected as a MANDATORY SOCIALIST TAX is no chump change. Fattrad, it seems that if anyone would bitch about a forced tax, it would be you. They can’t use your $19.05 to go to McDeath’s because that money has gone to the charity of THEIR choice.
Joseph, why did you get your lawyers involved?
This is NOT an “open source” project and this is NOT a “non-profit” project.
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JBC
Trad climber
Tacoma, WA
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Jan 21, 2011 - 02:17pm PT
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What a bunch of whiners!
No good deed goes unpunished indeed!
Let's see - a small group of folks work for YEARS, and put their own money UP FRONT to make these hammers. For this they make a measly $19.05 'profit' on each hammer, which they donate to charity!
folks, if you know anything about retail sales you would realize that $100 is a great deal based on the manufacturing cost quoted. In reality, based on an $80 manufacturing cost, the hammer should sell for a minimum of 135-180! with shipping on top of that!
To everyone who worked on this - thanks for a great job done on a difficult project.
Jim
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