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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 10, 2013 - 01:20am PT
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bruce Gay
Keep ur boo-hoo'in in Can-Nada
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 10, 2013 - 07:39am PT
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"Im not sure if i get that-the being wrong part"
Just some proliferation for the deniosphere.
Thank You.
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raymond phule
climber
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Sep 10, 2013 - 07:44am PT
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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/09/climate-change-arctic-sea-ice-delusions
The first graph is how the "skeptics" view the arctic sea ice extent data.
I found it so stupid that it is fascinating that some "skeptics" tries to claim that the globe is not warming by using the arctic sea ice data because this year is not a record year.
The ice extent for this year is so far the 6 lowest for the 33 last years. It is lower than all years before 2007. The mean has consistently being lower every decade. The volume is shrinking even more than the area.
To be a skeptic and believing that the arctic sea ice is not shrinking or that what happens goes against the AGW theory just shows that you don't understand science at all or that you are brain washed by media and blogs with an agenda.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 10, 2013 - 07:57am PT
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This thread is often about fake climate change skeptics, but Ed shows again that like many scientists he is a real one -- he downloads and analyzes the PIOMAS data to find out for himself!
Ed then looks closely at those data, noticing a small discrepancy involving leap years. That happens because PIOMAS does not actually do leap years, as a simplification the model divides every year into 365 "days" (satellite data which provide the main inputs don't divide into calendar days either). DOY in the PIOMAS output never reaches 366.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 10, 2013 - 08:42am PT
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Chiloe - Ed's a solid dude.
I'm not disputing Ed, he did things right right.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 10:08am PT
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I'm sick of all the petty bickering.
You don't think it affects anyone? You're an idiot.
wow, pretty quick to call someone an idiot. And nobody really insulted you.
Not one cool page in this thread? That too, sir, is an insult because it insinuates that there is nothing cool in thousands of pages of good people debating and offing outstanding information.
From here, I don't believe you've read much of this thread because for one, you can't answer an straight-forward question about why you are still on the fence. If you've read several hundred posts on this thread, then you should be able to answer that question with some sort of intelligence. One one or the other, you should be able to tell us why you're on the fence.
You try to sound all cool and coy, but for some reason you come off as being arrogant, and it seems you're just here to stir the pot and get people back to bickering.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 10:23am PT
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^^^ That's pretty funny, although I'm not sure why.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 11:42am PT
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99.9% of the WORLD IS NOT SCIENCE LITERATE.
The Chief, you are absolutely correct.
And that is why 99.9% of the world's population leave it up to the scientists to help them:
 figure out how to make gasoline
figure out how to make computers
figure out how to make medicine
figure out how to make airplanes
On and on. The common folk who cannot do the math rely on those who can to solve the difficult problems they face.
You, The Chief, use gasoline, computers, airplanes. But, I'll be you don't have a clue as to the science behind how these things work.
To many, this argument makes good sense. For some, however, sense is not their strong suit.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 10, 2013 - 11:48am PT
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So science made computers gasoline airplanes etc. to solve all our problems.
LOL ......
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 10, 2013 - 11:52am PT
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I didn't even read your drivel Bruce I just skipped over your usual stupid drool ......
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Sep 10, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
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It is quite easy to mess with nature. You can't stop the world from turning, but you can pollute, overgraze, you name it, and have effects.
DDT nearly wiped out the raptors. To this day, lead shot is bad for California Condors.
It is easy to mess with nature, and 7 billion people do have an effect. Have you ever heard an astronaut describe the brown haze over many cities?
I remember my first trip to L.A. I was 16 and taking classes at Occidental College. The smog was unreal, and flying in I couldn't believe the miles of concrete we flew over on the way to the airport.
It reminded me of a line from The Big Sky:
"I wouldn't want to live in no anthill."
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 10, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
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OK Bruce I read this one.
But again you really are a nut case,
"Flying an airplane masters nature."
You need serious help.
But there is none for people like you ......
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Sep 10, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
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It was the common man that invented workable airplanes..
Do you think scientists aren't common?
Do you think uneducated people who invent flying machines are common?
Are you really as stupid as you come off?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 10, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
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Curious, I looked into my code to figure out why Ed and I reached slightly different results regarding leap years. My code was skipping Feb 29, whereas the PIOMAS website says to skip the last day of the year.
For leap years this means that no integration is performed for the last day of the year.
But (back when I wrote the code) the PIOMAS team was advising something different, as they note on the same page:
(Note: previously we incorrectly stated that all Februaries have 28 days)
To go with the times, I've revised the code henceforth to skip December 31 in leap years, instead of February 29.
Incidentally, Rick made a big fuss about where these PIOMAS data come from. They are found by following links labeled DATA at the top of the PIOMAS home page that he linked to, and copied and pasted from.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Sep 10, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
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The Wright brothers were just common high school dropouts, haha, that's funny. No they weren't geniuses solving quadratic equations and establishing scientific methods for technological development universally adapted worldwide. LOL.
The modern environmental movement was jumpstarted by NASA astronauts and this image. The first time man saw the whole Earth, and realized how fragile our ecosystem is. Of course we can't change natural processes occuring over thousands of years but it's laughable to say it's "arrogant that we could change nature". The worlds nuclear arsenal could completely change the biosphere of the Earth in matter of minutes.
It's simply a question of prevention vs. cure. We used to dump industrial pollutants in rivers. Sure it was cheap for those businesses, but everyone else paid the price and the cost of cleanup is far more than just disposing of things correctly in the first place (superfund sites anyone?). It's much cheaper to install smokestack scrubbers and take the CO2 out of coal power plants than to build levees around every city in the world.
But I'm sure nothing I say will convince those tilting at windmills what this is really all about.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Sep 10, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
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the cost of cleanup is far more than just disposing of things correctly in the first place
Absolutely, 100% correct.
I just listened to Pale Blue Dot (Sagan) on my recent trip. Planetary science is awesome.
The point is not whether you are right or wrong. It is how you are all delivering it.
Jesus Fuking Christ... we are surrounded by fuking morans... who want us to pander to fuking morans. Here's an idea: why not spend the effort EDUCATING them instead?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Fuking idiots don't want to BELIEVE the truth, so we better change it to fit what they would prefer to BELIEVE.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 10, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
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Chief maybe you should go back to drinking. At least then you would have an excuse for being an overbearing, dumb as#@&%e.
You'd also have an excuse for growing moobs.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
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Sorry Bubba, but you seriously need to get off that arrogant ego trip soap box that you are on.
Then...
More importantly, the common man can see through political ideological bullshet masked as science that supposedly is going to assist them, as well.
Talk about an arrogant ego trip soap box! The Chief, you WIN!
@Werner, I never said science solves all our problems. But it does solve some of our more difficult ones. (Perhaps only to create other, more difficult problems ;-).
And OK Ron, a "common" man did build the first airplane. How far did it fly? You think you'd get an international jet flight without scientists?
Like I said above, sense is not the strong suit of some people, and the sensless seem to gather here in droves.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
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I get that you're a jackass, The Chief.
And you prove it with every post you make.
But lo, "proof" is not something you easily grasp, so I'll give you a hall pass on this one.
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