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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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I'm going to borrow that "How ice sheet grew 920,000 square miles in a year" graphic for a talk about scientific illiteracy today. Ron, what's your source?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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So explain why glaciers are disappearing while artic ice is growing..?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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I saw that 1 dollar bill trick on Pimp this Research...It made perfect sense...
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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The area covered by northern sea ice follows a strong seasonal cycle: lowest around this time of year, growing by something like 10 million km^2 over the winter, then melting by a similar amount to reach the next minimum. Here is a graph showing this cycle through the satellite era. In 2012 the March-September melt was unexpectedly deep, setting a new minimum record. 2013 was a colder season in the Arctic so less melting occurred, and the minimum will end up higher than it was last year. But still below any observed prior to 2007, which itself was an historical record.
For many purposes sea ice volume is a more informative metric than sea ice area. Despite this year's somewhat higher area, the volume remains quite low -- indicating that the ice remains thin and spread out.
Even today, with the sun almost setting at the North Pole, there is open ocean from Franz Josef Land going north of 85N latitude, and a large patch of open water within the ice pack at about 87N.
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/ssmis/arctic_SSMIS_nic.png
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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wow, blahblah enters right on queue... this year's weather indicates that all of climate science is wrong!
amazing that...
Insult away Mr. Ed, but your heroic "scientists" are now engaged in furious backpedaling.
The climate-change-induced "super storm" prediction is an important part of scaring the public into adopting anti-growth economic policies that are the warmists true agenda, as the public's reaction to predictions that things will just get slightly warmer is a resounding "So What?"
From the same article:
The truth is that scientists aren’t really sure why there hasn’t been a hurricane yet this season, nor do they know why an intense hurricane — Category 3, 4, 5 — hasn’t made landfall in the U.S. since Wilma all the way back in 2005. (Sandy, for all the damage it did, was barely a Category 1 storm by the time it made landfall along the East Coast.) And as Andrew Revkin reported in the New York Times, leaked drafts of the forthcoming Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seem to reflect a reduced scientific certainty that global warming will make storms stronger and more frequent. In the 2007 report, the IPCC said that it was more likely than not — a greater than 50% certainty in the panel’s terminology — that human activity was contributing to an observed intensification of hurricane activity in some parts of the world. Now the IPCC — or at least the draft — says it has “low confidence” of that relationship, which means it believes that there is only a 2-out-of-10 chance of being correct. The estimated probability that the 21st century will see more intense hurricane activity has fallen as well.
Read more: http://science.time.com/2013/09/09/a-silent-hurricane-season-ignites-a-debate-over-global-warming/#ixzz2eQDd3FQb
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Blah blah....Even if climate change is a hoax we should be anti-growth as a matter of conserving dwindling natural resources for future generations...No brainer there...
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Hey CHILOE
Seems to be some disparity in your charts from this years and last years at the same time? WTF?
Look at all the years and quantities. They do not coincide. Not one. Please explain Larry
LAST YEARS at this time:
It's an IQ test for you, Rick. What do the titles of those two different graphs say?
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Hey, Chief, put on your reading specs. Look at specific months and years and see how things compare. Also pay attention to the actual dates in Chiloe's first 2 graphs. This aint that hard, dude.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Hey Chief, the dates are different.
bobinc beat me to it.
Your other charts show the entire month summation. You are comparing apples to oranges again.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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It's an IQ test for you, Rick. What do the titles of those two different graphs say?
bwaahahaaa
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Bullshit Chief.
Your other charts are monthly summations of some kind. You don't know how the summation works. Could be end of month or average for that month. You are making an apples to oranges comparison.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Chief, look at your own graph for a specific month and year and then compare the value there to what Chiloe has. They are very close; any difference probably has to do with the actual read date.
Chiloe made it too easy since he put numeric values on his but if you can actually follow the curves on your graph over to the left, you will get very similar numbers for the same months/years.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Well LARRY, neither of your two charts that are posted coincide with actual data, LARRY. Regardless the what your twisted verbiage states.
Well RICK, what you're calling the "actual PIOMAS" and the "actual data" is actually a graph drawn by a blogger named Wipneus. Whose graphics are perfectly good, and we both use the same PIOMAS data, but he's graphing it in a different way. RICK you have shown one more time that you can't read the graphs you paste into this thread, but still imagine they are sticks you can hit with.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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... sigh...
pearls before porkchops...
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Chief, your charts show monthly average. Chiloe charts show a value on a particular date.
Do you know the difference between an average and say a particular data point?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Command Error, now look at the temp data for Australia. Hottest 12 months ever.
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command error
Trad climber
Colorado
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Why? Are you claiming its faked to?
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