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Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 6, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
Malcolm Gladwell had an interesting tidbit about the asian advantage in math in some essay or book. It basically came down to the way their language structure treats numbers that make it more logical and easier for kids to grasp.

I can't recall the exact details, but something along the lines of how in english we have the modifier preceding the noun which emphasizes the modifier...green car, vs. say spanish where it's opposite auto verde. In this case, I think it's that they don't have screwy numbers like the eleven, twelve, thirteen, etc, but instead a structure like "ten and one" for eleven, etc.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
A gem:

On what basis do you conclude that this [AWG] is "the big lie"? My guess is your conclusion is largely based on your political point of view, and has nothing to do with any science that you understand.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 6, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
It is common for people to assume that all science happens in the United States. It does not. We just pay better.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 6, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
Ron, I don't know about the rest of the country, but I lived in interior AK during two of the three worst fire seasons on record up there, 2004(1st) and 2005 (3rd).

Given that the interior isn't managed as forest, and never has been, I don't think you can pawn that one off on fuel loads from forest mismangement.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 6, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
Yale Forum on Climate Change and the Media.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 6, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
Monolith ,great piece,but i think it needs banjo music for the deniers.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Sep 6, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
First Chinese Container Ship is using the Northern Passage

The shorter trip will mean lower fuel costs (and, ironically, fewer greenhouse gas emissions) for the freighter. Taking this route is expected to save 12 to 15 days of travel


http://greentomorrows.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/first-container-ship-crossing-the-northern-passage/


http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/08/18/business/china-reveals-its-arctic-ambitions-in-new-shipping-route/



kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Sep 6, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Thanks for a relevant post, monolith! Good video.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/09/06/if-all-you-see-882/
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 7, 2013 - 12:03am PT
Here is an interesting natural phenomenon that could be an influence in oceanic oscillations and might be a mechanism for the transport of Trenberth's missing heat to the deep. Of course it could also be interpreted as a previously under appreciated negative feedback that helps keep atmospheric and SS temps moderate in the face of rapid intense forcings. I'm surprised some of you guys aren't all over this.

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/518416/black-hole-analogue-discovered

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 7, 2013 - 12:20am PT
OK Ed. So i also assume that climate change has an impact on the lack of extreme weather events of 2013, excepting of course the extreme cold spells most pronounced by the historically late northern mid to high lattitudes late spring?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 7, 2013 - 01:04am PT
Riley, it is you that is the true moron. If you had an uncorrupted neuron left between your rotting zombie ears you would realize that extreme weather events are much more a function of increased population and valued real estate in harms way now than in the past. What is the sound of a tree falling in the forest, if no being is there to hear it.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 7, 2013 - 01:08am PT
exactly as you sound jebus
WBraun

climber
Sep 7, 2013 - 01:16am PT
A lot of people here are really book smart and completely unintelligent and stupid.

We know who they are.

And not who you think ......
WBraun

climber
Sep 7, 2013 - 01:26am PT
Why are you calling yourself a passive aggressive disobliging maroon ......
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 7, 2013 - 07:51am PT
Ron i suggest you read actual analysis of extreme weather[see averages] before you make such claims.
Extreme instances have happened at a higher rate globally since Gores movie.
They just have not been anywhere near you.
Hell where i live in the appalachians ,we have had plenty.Sandy , Irene,numerous tropical depressions that never make it up here usually.

All in the last 15 years

We had not had anything like that since the 70s when Agnes hit here.And you would have to go back considerably further to find more.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 7, 2013 - 09:17am PT
I have very little skin in this game,no kids ,no family.

I am a god damn carpenter,with a geology degree.

Should not even care.

But i am compelled,and if anything this thread has done ,it has simply reinforced that.

Resolute.

The intrepid science people here have done nothing but instill a drive for greater knowledge in this topic.

Arguetrarian yes.Scotch/Irish,yes.
WBraun

climber
Sep 7, 2013 - 11:33am PT
The biggest threat to the global economy? The weather

Nope you have it backwards.

It's us.

Everything we do affects the weather.

The more violent and greedy we become towards each other and against nature the more nature will retaliate ......
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
Meanwhile in the real world... The Australian people handed the Labor Party, with their carbon tax and rabid green agenda, a landslide defeat today. They Australians were ahead of us on this climate change front. The people have awakened and Australians are again ahead of us, this time in treating the mass hysteria that delivered job losses, skyrocketing energy bills, unreliable current generation alternative energy, and no net CO2 reduction. The new prime minister and government was elected, to a large degree, by vowing to end the carbon tax.Read em and weep,or jump for joy, this will happen here also.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/07/conservatives-sweep-to-australia-election-victory



TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 7, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/09/07/if-all-you-see-883/
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