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Bob D'A
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Boulder, CO
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Sep 17, 2009 - 11:51am PT
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Bamm wrote: Its time to have an open and honest discussion on, "Exactly how gay is John Long."
Typical...a chicken sh#t republican who won't even post under his real name telling others to be honest.
You are a fecking fool.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 17, 2009 - 11:54am PT
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Bob that would be giving feckin fools a bad name.
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jstan
climber
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Sep 17, 2009 - 11:59am PT
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George Washington crossed the Delaware for bamm bamm?
Holy cow!
Edit:
You all did notice did you not?
Jeff immediately moved away from bamm bamm on the Group W bench.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:01pm PT
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"John, come on....come clean and admit all your sexual deviance. "
Well, there was that time with your mother and the donkey...
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Jim E
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:02pm PT
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Bamm Bamm is TOO stupid to know when to use "TOO".
Ironic.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:13pm PT
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Two different responses before I sink into billable hours:
Apogee,
My reference to Korematsu was to show the continuity of insensitivity and anti-asian racism from the Roosevelt administration to now. There's plenty of anti-Hispanic and anti-Caucasian racism in this country, too. Sad to say, the Republicans have no monopoly on racism.
My point was that policies of both parties can benefit racists of both parties. Saying that a policy or group is racist because racists support that policy or group is a non-sequitur. Similarly, I find most of the racism discussion on this thread making unwarranted leaps and assumptions about what motivates individuals.
jstan,
I think you're being too kind to Comrad Josef when you say "The Iron Curtain was built because 20,000,000 Russians had died in WWII on the eastern front and they intended not again to be invaded." Stalin could just as easily prevent an invasion by having the Iron Curtain contain only USSR territory. His actions were nothing but naked aggression, subjugating unwilling nations to decades of imperialism.
Nor can this be attributed solely to Stalin. The invasions of Hungary and Czechoslavakia happened after Stalin (but not Stalinism) was long gone. It would be more accurate to say that the willingness of central and eastern Europian nations to host defenses that could be used against Russia, and their generally strong support of the foreign policy of the previous administration, comes because they were invaded and occupied from the east, and do not want it to happen again.
John
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jstan
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:25pm PT
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JE:
Oh yes there were other advantages to taking over more territory but the Russian sensitivity on this and the advantages of a buffer zone have long been noted. That sensitivity began in 1805 well before Stalin and continued after Stalin was out of the picture. It has long been a "national interest."
As to what the former eastern block nations wanted, I would have to say I very much doubt that our actions were designed solely for their benefit. When you consider antimissile technology and the geographics, what Bush did was nothing more than poking at the Russians.
That was my point.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:33pm PT
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Bam Bam wrote:
When you accuse your political opponents of the terrible act of racism in order to advance your political agenda you have denigrated all those that have suffered before.
Largo, Norton et al should be ashamed.
John Long especially. This stupid man claims to be "sophisticated" he can't even spell correctly.
He is nothing but a buffoon and is pretty much to dumb to notice.
JOhn, you can post up all the bullshit you want and try to impress the rest of us but you are an idiot.
Sorry to break it to the great stupid John Long.
John, get a life you gay retard. Rumors have surrounded your sex life for years.
Come out of the closet John, it is time to tell the truth.
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Hey, rip me all you want but when you start accusing me of being sophisticated, that's going too far. And yeah, hayseed, my shite is full of typos, not spelling errors.
I guess this rant by Bam Bam is in response to the post of mine several days ago that goes like this:
ONLY A COMPLETE FOOL BELIEVES THAT REV WRIGHT INFLUENCED OBAMA
TO HATE WHITE PEOPLE.
JL wrote: The same "logic" is used to bash gays, saying their behavior not only ruins marriage for the rest of us, but if encouraged, we'd be endorsing homos, ergo people like Bam Bam, Howweird and SUAP would be "influenced" to bugger their fellow man in turn, if they aren't already.
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Now I will admit tossing this out there purely for entertainment value, knowing a rube like Bam Bam would lose what little mind he has the second he read it.
These silly rabbits are nothing if not predictible.
JL
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jstan
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:39pm PT
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Local control and diversity in the media is most seriously threatened by widespread corporate acquisitions.
Historically ownership of TV stations has been equivalent to the ability to print money, though this correlation has decreased along with viewership and quality of programming.
One is perplexed to understand why corporate money has so assiduously pursued an industry, general media, that is becoming less and less profitable.
Perhaps there is another reason, of which we are not aware?
Edit:
That's not like you Jeff, IMO.
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jstan
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Sep 17, 2009 - 01:02pm PT
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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-wall-street14-2009sep14,0,318685,full.story
THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN
Crisis has not altered Wall Street
A year after Lehman's collapse sent the economy into a tailspin, the financial industry is still fixated on the pursuit of money -- a lot of it.
By Walter Hamilton
September 14, 2009
Reporting from New York - You'd hardly know that Wall Street giant Morgan Stanley is struggling through the chaotic aftermath of the global financial crisis sparked a year ago by the collapse of investment banking rival Lehman Bros. Holdings Inc.
At least not from the way Morgan executives are paying themselves.
Despite a large second-quarter operating loss, Morgan earmarked $3.9 billion for bonuses and other compensation. That was almost
three-quarters of its quarterly revenue,
far more than firms typically shell out.
A year after Lehman's record-setting bankruptcy sent shivers through the global financial system and sparked predictions of a wholesale reordering in the way Wall Street operates, one old saw remains: The more things change on Wall Street, the more they stay the same.
At first glance, Wall Street appears different in some major ways. Three marquee firms vanished, as have thousands of jobs and some of the abuses that took hold in the bubble.
But on the whole, Wall Street has recovered more quickly than expected with little difference in how it does business. And the unapologetic pursuit of money remains as deeply rooted as ever…………
………For top firms such as Goldman Sachs and sought-after traders and bankers, the good times are back.
Goldman notched its most profitable period ever in the second quarter, earning $3.4 billion, thanks in part to pricing power it gained with the disappearance of rivals. It's also been helped by furious securities trading by clients as the markets have rebounded.
The investment banker also amassed $11.4 billion in the first six months to pay for bonuses, a pace that would yield a record-setting
average payout of $770,000 per employee
if sustained the rest of the year.
walter.hamilton@latimes.com
Copyright © 2009, The Los Angeles Times
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Sep 17, 2009 - 01:03pm PT
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JE: "The invasions of Hungary and Czechoslavakia happened after Stalin (but not Stalinism) was long gone."
Both Hungary and Czechoslovakia, as well as Poland, East Germany, Romania, and Bulgaria, were occupied by the Red Army as it advanced in 1944-45. It didn't go home until after 1989. All those countries nominally had democracies in the late 1940s, but all were co-opted by "socialist" regimes with Soviet (Stalin's) backing by 1948 or so.
Stalin died in 1953. Hungary revolted in 1956, which was brutally suppressed by the Red Army. Czechoslovakia, under Dubcek, attempted a soft revolution in 1968 - it also was suppressed, but with less violence. Poland also experienced several periods of significant unrest (not just 1980 - 81 and Solidarity), some of which were violently put down.
Historical trivia aside, I agree with JE. The roots of racism, xenophobia and violence in the US national psyche are there for all to see, and go back centuries. Ask any descendant of the Cherokee about "white man's justice" - I've heard that some refuse $20 bills, given that Andrew Jackson is on them.
And I agree with Dr. F and jstan - follow the money. The issue continues to be effective regulation of the excesses of the financial industry, and so economic stability.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 17, 2009 - 01:39pm PT
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And...what is the brilliantly superior Republican alternative?
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apogee
climber
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Sep 17, 2009 - 01:52pm PT
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"My point was that policies of both parties can benefit racists of both parties."
No argument that racism exists in all parties- my point is that the political strategies used by today's GOP are far more attractive to those with strong racist tendencies, and encourages and cultivates them in overt and covert manners. Don't believe this? Provide some relatively recent, examples of Dem's (or Independents, or whatever) using race as a lever to achieve their political goals. Or, if you don't believe such strategies are an implicit part of GOP political planning, and that the racism we see today is simply 'a few bad media apples', then provide some similar left-leaning media sources who have been as blatant.
John, I still get the impression your feeling about the existence of racism is one of 'everybody does it' and the GOP is not the only one, therefore criticisms about racism right now are somehow less valid. Right now, the source of racist material and commentary is coming from the GOP and their media hounds. That's a fact. When that kind of racism pops up, it needs to be whacked right now, and people need to be called on it- not just written off.
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dirtbag
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Sep 17, 2009 - 02:00pm PT
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A lot of that is true Fattrad, BUT he also probably has a keener nose for sniffing out racism in the political landscape than just about any politican alive.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Sep 17, 2009 - 02:05pm PT
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mother of god, this thread is long.
dr f, what have you done!!!???
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Sep 17, 2009 - 02:42pm PT
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apogee,
I understand your point to be that current GOP policies are more attractive to white racists than are Democratic policies. If that is your point, I find it irrelevant to determining whether those policies are good or bad.
If I had a policy that would put $1,000,000 in everyone's pocket, with no decrease in spending power, I would imagine that a lot of racists would find that attractive. That doesn't make it a bad policy. If I had a policy to kill the first-born of every family, I suspect even most racists would not like it (particularly if they were first borns). That doesn't make it a good policy.
If we strip that irrelevancy from the argument, we're left to debate the merits rather than speculate on what animates the arguments. That's what I'm after.
I should say in the same breath (as if I have that kind of breath control) that i find the recent ad hominom attacks on Largo rather offensive and infantile. About the only interaction I had with him was showing him around Indian Rock in 1972 and sharing Middle Cathedral Rock with him in 1973 (He was on Paradise Lost, I and my partner on the Powell-Reed), but I have always known him to be a good man, so the personal attacks against Largo hurt me, too. There's a difference between the ribbing of Dr. F. and fattrad, on the one hand, and the venom that comes from this latest spat. Please, let's move on.
John
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Barcus
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, Ca.
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Sep 17, 2009 - 02:50pm PT
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Who is bamm bamm?
He's too much of an azzhole to be howie, is this the new suap?
Which jerkoff has come back as Obamma bamm?
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Sep 17, 2009 - 02:50pm PT
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Fattrad for POTUS.
JL
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