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jogill
climber
Colorado
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The lessons of star trek. Probably a good approach to engage Trump supporters would be to ask them if the Donald would make a good replacement for Capt. Kirk.
Better than the current incarnation: "Hey dude, take us to warp speed."
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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The lessons of star trek. Probably a good approach to engage Trump supporters would be to ask them if the Donald would make a good replacement for Capt. Kirk.
Or better yet to ask the inmates in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest if Hillary would make a good replacement for Nurse Ratched.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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This is a TERRIFFIC article about Islam. It is also about Christianity, but only in comparison. It explains the violence, which I've seen in the Koran myself.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/opinion/how-religion-can-lead-to-violence.html?_r=1
If you look at the polls, you will see that most muslims support a certain amount of violence, particularly when it comes to killing infidels. Christians used to do it, too, but it eventually became more secular and less militant.
It is all covered in the article.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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The world's coming around, BASE. Ever so slowly.
Does this mean that Islam is evil? No, but it does mean that it has not yet tamed, to the extent that Christianity has, the danger implicit in any religion that claims to be God’s own truth. To put it bluntly, Islam as a whole has not made the concessions to secular values that Christianity has. As President Obama recently said, “Some currents of Islam have not gone through a reformation that would help people adapt their religious doctrines to modernity.” This adaptation will be long and difficult and require many intellectual and socio-economic changes, some produced by outside forces, others arising from the increasing power of Islamic teachings on tolerance and love. But until such a transformation is achieved, it will be misleading to say that intolerance and violence are “a pure betrayal” of Islam.
Perhaps it's a piece jgill and Ed Hartouni might want to read / absorb?
As further demonstration of their interest (1) in humanism, (2) in the humanities/religions of the world, perhaps.
re: bigot, bigotry
"so full of it, Chumly."
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2515755&msg=2813253#msg2813253
"The Islamic world has a long way to come to get to Christendom's moderation." -hfcs, 15 may 2016
ref:
"it was an observation that you were making what would commonly be viewed as bigoted statements."
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2515755&msg=2814498#msg2814498
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2515755&msg=2814516#msg2814516
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Norton
Social climber
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Fructose, thanks for posting Seth's quote and the web source.
I didn't know who he was until I happened to watch Ted2 on HBO a couple weeks ago
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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What world secular liberals in America ought to do is not get caught up in American partisan politics and turn violent fundamentalist Islam (aka "radical Islamic extremism") into a left right thing.
Study of Islam... along with study of violent fundamentalist Islam... existed long LONG before FOX news and Trump "hijacked" the subjects for their own partisan interests.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HYLiMaj9Ak
"There are exceptions among the disbelievers, no doubt, people who will unabashedly declare that jihad and the laws of the Shari’ah – as well as everything else deemed taboo by the Islam-is-a-peaceful-religion crowd – are in fact completely Islamic, but they tend to be people with far less credibility who are painted as a social fringe, so their voices are dismissed and a large segment of the ignorant masses continues believing the false narrative." Dabiq, #15
http://www.4shared.com/web/preview/pdf/aDgNqZJkce
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki
"At the commemoration event of International Holocaust Remembrance Day held in the US Holocaust Memorial Museum on 27 January 2013 Ryszard Schnepf, the Polish Ambassador to the US, described Pilecki as a "diamond among Poland's heroes" and "the highest example of Polish patriotism."
https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/faith-in-reason
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Perhaps it's a piece jgill and Ed Hartouni might want to read or absorb?
FWIW I am in complete agreement with Sam Harris regarding Islam. ("A wellspring of bad ideas")
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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“Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself.”
― Rumi
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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If you look at the polls, you will see that most muslims support a certain amount of violence, particularly when it comes to killing infidels. Christians used to do it, too, but it eventually became more secular and less militant.
FUC off! Don't do it dude! Your spouting off like a retarded porpose!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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“Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself.”
― Rum
that's about as queer as a three dollar bill.
SERIOUSLY?
WTF?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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that's one vision.
but reluctantly i could prove to you another?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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FWIW I am in complete agreement with Sam Harris regarding Islam. "A wellspring of bad ideas"
Religion is a wellspring of dubious ideas at best. The worst aspect of religion is a certain percentage of uneducated people in all cultures will become [religious] fundamentalists and problematic as a result. Fundamentalism combined with a lack of education, economic opportunity, and societal acceptance is basically a recipe for disaster regardless of the specifics of religion or culture.
Fundamentalists are frightening regardless of whether they are ISIS supporters or fringe right republicans. Their worldview is tightly constrained, everything is filtered through and has to fit into narrowly prescribed narratives, and they are immune to fact and reality. They are dangerous by definition.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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^^^WTF healgy? evolution has bruoght us the fear!
what ur sayin is queer.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Blue, You didn't get it.
Reaction is a function of the primitive reptilian part of your brain; contemplation is a function of the more advanced human part of your brain.
Blue, You gotta look into your queer thing...
“I searched for God among the Christians and on the Cross and therein I found Him not.
I went into the ancient temples of idolatry; no trace of Him was there.
I entered the mountain cave of Hira and then went as far as Qandhar but God I found not.
With set purpose I fared to the summit of Mount Caucasus and found there only 'anqa's habitation.
Then I directed my search to the Kaaba, the resort of old and young; God was not there even.
Turning to philosophy I inquired about him from ibn Sina but found Him not within his range.
I fared then to the scene of the Prophet's experience of a great divine manifestation only a "two bow-lengths' distance from him" but God was not there even in that exalted court.
Finally, I looked into my own heart and there I saw Him; He was nowhere else.”
~ Rumi
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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"Fear is the cheapest room in the house. I would like to see you living
In better conditions."
~Hafiz
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I'm changing myself.
I like it!
Although I would say, the thing that doesn't seem to have changed between yesterday and today is my same high opinion of my clever and wise self and my own intelligence. Oh well, we'll work on that tomorrow.
Or not. Its probably easier and more effective to just believe I already have gained the wisdom of working on it. When it comes to motivating advantageous behaviors, beliefs trump reality any day.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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DMT I don't think that's his true self, any more than you saying it is your true self. Maybe it's his drunk self. Heck we can believe whatever we choose about other people, and if what we choose to believe is that their "bad" self is really their "true" self ... shoot, maybe that says more about our true self than about theirs. Best to you! :-)
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