The Flames.

About 11 p. m., on January 24, 1960, deceased, Dr. Quattelbaum, with three companions (Mrs. Beverly Burton, Mr. Burton and Virginia Patridge), was at the Baby Doll Bar in San Pedro, drinking some beer and playing a bowling machine. An employee of the bar, Jane Morrison, noticed defendant and Quattelbaum facing each other, about two feet apart, with the [189 Cal. App. 2d 57] doctor's back to the wall; he was then standing in a narrow space between the bowling machine and a juke box. She called out, "There will be no damned fighting in here," turned her back for a moment and then looked again at the doctor who was sinking to the floor; Zankich had walked away and was standing in front of the juke box.

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Dr. Quattelbaum apparently died on the way to the hospital. The autopsy revealed that decedent had an abnormally thin skull which had been fractured, the fracture being about three inches long, involving the left temporal bone and extending into the floor of the frontal fossa. This fracture had been induced by trauma but there was no displacement. The immediate cause of death, according to the autopsy surgeon, Dr. Don H. Mills, was acute subarachnoid hemorrhage, due to subarachnoid arterial rupture, stress induced.

Perhaps much of this "go fund me" phenomenon" taps into the same central need some passerbys have to drop cash in the hand of a "homeless" man who really in all probability is a con-man, a thief and/or a drug abuser.

I Work a good bit with the homeless in our city.....and one of the first things you learn is how many scammers/thieves/tweakers are on the street corners and how few of them are truly "in need".

Many who work in homeless shelters or women's homes tend to give on street corners because we know where that cash goes. Many folks give to . . .

micronut

Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca

Sep 19, 2016 - 02:08pm PT
I might be a bit old fashioned, but the whole "Go Fund Me/Asking Strangers for Money" thing baffles me a bit. I guess I have mixed feelings. In times of dire need, such "funding" schemes seem to bring out the best in a community......but when the "ask" is anything short of catastrophically dire, I feel a strange sense of "hey, you have more of a responsibility to take care of this than we, total strangers, do." There is something humbling about asking for help that is good for all of us sometimes, but it often strikes me as irresponsible and selfish. I would personally never consider asking strangers to help out with vet bills, which are a total part of life....a normal expenditure that needs to be considered prior to owning a pet. This just doesn't seem "noble" enough to go out and raise financial support for in my opinion. I know that's terribly arbitrary, but its just what came to mind when I read this OP. Though I have no way to really justify that feeling. It just comes across as lazy or shortsighted/immature I suppose. That sounds really harsh I suppose.....you sound like a good dude in a tough spot. I'm just processing this whole phenomenon I guess.

Perhaps much of this "go fund me" phenomenon" taps into the same central need some passerbys have to drop cash in the hand of a "homeless" man who really in all probability is a con-man, a thief and/or a drug abuser. I Work a good bit with the homeless in our city.....and one of the first things you learn is how many scammers/thieves/tweakers are on the street corners and how few of them are truly "in need". Many who work in homeless shelters or women's homes tend to give on street corners because we know where that cash goes. Many folks give to your typical guy at the stoplight because it makes "the giver" feel good, a totally selfish reason if you really look into the motive. Not necessarily trying to point out right or wrong motives for giving but I find it really interesting.

I'm not saying this is the same thing, just batting a few thoughts around in this scenario and why people give and why people ask. Overall, I'd probably give of my time....quicker than I'd donate some dollars for your vet bills. If we were friends and you lived close I'd help out in any way I could, but as a stranger I really feel like its your responsibility, not your communities to get you out of this tight time. Some will give and feel good about it. Some won't give and feel bad about it. Most of us are probably in between somewhere. I hope for quick mending for your pooch and a smooth delivery for your baby and wife. Good luck with the funding. Start saving NOW for that kid! Sell the rack, take up less hobbies for a while, buy ramen instead of steak and say goodbye to any coffee at Starbucks for a few years.....these kids are expensive!!! I have four of em, they'll break you! But may your days as a proud and invested dad bring you more joy than you can imagine in the days to come. I hope may people give and that the pooch heals up fast.

Rant over. Take care man.

Scott