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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Even during the Cretaceous hot house there is evidence for occasional cold spells and "some" glaciation. This is a complex system.
I see some of the posters tend to like the "Real Science" website, which currently is all over Syria and Obama and Homeland Security buying 1.5 billion bullets and article 21.
He still bashes climate science, but with guys like these, one conspiracy is never enough.
You absolutely HAVE to visit this site and see where guys go find the chart de jour....
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/
It is the worst "science" available. He has a woody over climate science for some reason. Must have been too many Limbaugh droning lectures.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Hilarious. Good one, Chief.
You hand drew a line and you couldn't even start in 1993. A least squares fit line is what you want, but it won't tell the same lie you are showing.
Let me do some simple math for you, Chief: 2013 - 20 = 1993
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Hey Chief,
We have these things called computers. They can draw a least squares fit line between two points. Even a spreadsheet can do it. Give it a try some time.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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The contrarians can't even get short term predictions right.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Me too.
But it's spelled malarkey. Some people are too stupid to spell correctly. That's what I call a red flag. If you can't use proper grammar, your opinion means nothing. Grammar is the most basic of communication tools. Fail at grammar, fail at credibility.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2013 - 10:41am PT
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Just checking in to see if The Chief tried to earn his $100.
Here's what I got:
The papers that Chiloe posted an hour or so do so for me.
That's it. I'm left to figure out what Chiloe's links "do so", and how they back up a claim that The Chief made. Interesting, this gives us a clue to how The Chief thinks (or doesn't).
I try not to feed the loud-mouthed troll, but the amount of noise that comes out of that wind-hole makes it tough to look through this thread to find what thoughtful folks have to say.
The Chief, do us a favor and look up the word "hiatus." You might be surprised at what you find.
After that, tell us how, in the middle of this hiatus, the world temps have registered the highest ever recorded (and please be mindful that the 'hiatus" occurred during the record keeping).
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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The Chief must be wheeling a huge payload into position...
Remember one of the Army's unofficial mottos (perhaps applies to the Navy, too): "You can die but you can't quit."
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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“THE UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain’s Met Office.
No he didn't. That's a Robert Murdoch reporter making stuff up.
Let's see the actual quote from Rachauri, Chief.
You won't find it, because there has not been a 17-year pause.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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C'mon, Chief-- Trenberth has said repeatedly his statement was taken out of context. (He was bemoaning the state of model development vs human-influenced climate change itself.)
Von Storch and Curry are not fair dealers in any sense of the term.
What else ya got (other than cartoon graphics you don't understand)?
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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You wouldn't believe it even if I told you (and others already have upthread).
Your whole effort to harness science to your position is laughable; you should just stick to the doom and gloom/hardman approach if you want people to take you seriously at all.
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Spitzer
climber
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I did at least get that the actual value is .01 wm-2, rather than the .8 wm-2 i faultily remembered.
rick sumner this was pointed out to you multiple times but you chose to ignore it instead of taking a few minutes to look it up yourself.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Why does the chief or other deniers care one way or another? I seriously doubt they are captains of industry with any skin in the game. Even if their worst regulation nightmares came true nothing would happen to them.
I don't know crap about science but it's just common sense that putting less pollutants into water, air or atmosphere is better than putting in more pollutants.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Yep - my "bias" is to go with what seems to be the bulk of the evidence that we are headed toward much more chaotic weather due to various forcing mechanisms that include accelerated atmospheric concentrations of CO2 (and other gases) that are associated with man's activities over the last 150 years or so.
Guilty as charged.
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Mad69Dog
Mountain climber
Superior, CO
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"That quote comes from Kevin Trenberth, a lead author of the 2001 and 2007 IPCC reports."
Is Kevin one of the people that gets slandered here?
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Mad69Dog
Mountain climber
Superior, CO
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I've been right here, laughing at the games you play.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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I was referring to pretty mundane stuff like temperatures and precipitation, Chief. But the hurricane/tornado stats are intriguing. It seems the thinking on severe storms has swung one way and then another (Power Dissipation Indices, etc); the jury appears to be out on that subject for now.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Relax, Chief (if that is possible); was just using "jury" in a conversational sense.
Chris Mooney's book, Storm World, describes many of the approaches used to look at extreme weather data and how the data itself often gets lost or distorted in the process. The book is now over five years old, and quite a bit of new work has been done since. The relationships between various data are complicated and so is the analysis and that's what I meant by "the jury is still out."
But I'm an elitist so you can resume your derisive comments.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Pielke and his dad are really good at putting both hands over their ears and squawking... but that's about it.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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A change to freshwater availability in response to climate change poses a more important risk to human societies and ecosystems than warming alone.
An article in Nat Geo about 20 (?) years ago predicted the next war in
the Middle East would be fought over water, not oil or politics. Strong
words coming from those people and, so far, not unfounded. They were, I
believe, meaning a war fought between ME countries.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Trenberth is a well respected climate scientist.
The only slandering of him here will be by the deniers who cherry pick him.
His "travesty" statement in private e-mail between climate scientists is that he didn't know where all the heat energy was going. Now he knows, it's going into the oceans, mostly below 700 meters.
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