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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sadly, but not unexpectedly, that image will mean absolutely nothing to Trump’s base. Matter of fact, many will herald it as proof of Trump’s anti-Bush, anti-establishment views.
“Just another day.”
Indeed.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Wisconsin made the news.
The Democrats swept Wisconsin in November, riding on voter support of Democrat reforms.
The Republican response?
The lame-duck Republican legislature passed last-minute bills that would block or impede the promised Democratic reforms when the new government takes over.
The lame-duck Republicans also passed legislation that would impede any further voter choice and facilitate Republican control of the state government in the next election.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2018 - 07:56pm PT
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I spent a while this afternoon looking for a reputable source for dirtbag's mention that Trump Republicans had larger incomes than Clinton Democrats. I didn't find one, but this Washington Post article that shows a lot of Trump supporters make decent money, does refute claims that most Trump supporters are lower working class. Instead, a large percent are also moneyed BOW's (Bitter Old Whites).
Among people who said they voted for Trump in the general election, 35 percent had household incomes under $50,000 per year (the figure was also 35 percent among non-Hispanic whites), almost exactly the percentage in NBC’s March 2016 survey. Trump’s voters weren’t overwhelmingly poor. In the general election, like the primary, about two thirds of Trump supporters came from the better-off half of the economy.
But, again, what about education? Many analysts have argued that the partisan divide between more and less educated people is bigger than ever. During the general election, 69 percent of Trump voters in the election study didn’t have college degrees. Isn’t that evidence that the working class made up most of Trump’s base?
The truth is more complicated: many of the voters without college educations who supported Trump were relatively affluent.
In short, the narrative that attributes Trump’s victory to a “coalition of mostly blue-collar white and working-class voters” just doesn’t square with the 2016 election data. According to the election study, white non-Hispanic voters without college degrees making below the median household income made up only 25 percent of Trump voters.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/05/its-time-to-bust-the-myth-most-trump-voters-were-not-working-class/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e4211de7fc47
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Geez Fritz, it's pretty interesting that the numbers in both those graphs, Trump supporters and white Trump supporters, are EXACTLY the same. Seems a bit ... odd. If real, maybe it's because all Trump supporters are white? So what's your interpretation of this? Any deep thoughts here?
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dirtbag
climber
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Fritz: I apologize, I really should’ve provided a link.
Anywho, this is not the poll I was thinking of (can’t find it unfortunately) but it is consistent with what I stated above.
https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls
Not an overwhelming difference, but it does rebut the notion that trump voters were poorer.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2018 - 10:07pm PT
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dirtbag! Thank you for the link, which takes a little scrolling down.
It does appear from this CNN exit poll interview from 24,588 voters at the last election, that at most earnings data points, on the average, (not based on population) A percent of Trump supporters make more or the same as Clinton supporters.
So, although the figures do not approach enough to be statisticly accurate, I have to say they show poorer Democrats & better off Republicans. Please remember, "Figures Never Lie, but ---------.
24,558 respondents
Income
Clinton Trump Other/No Answer
Under $30,000
17% 53% 40% 7%
$30K-$49,999
19% 52% 41% 7%
$50K-$99,999
30% 46% 49% 5%
$100K-$199,999
24% 47% 48% 5%
$200K-$249,999
4% 49% 47% 4%
$250,000 or more
6% 46% 46% 8%
$100K or more
34% 47% 47% 6%
24558 respondents
Income
Clinton Trump Other/No Answer
Under $50K
36% 53% 41% 6%
$50K-$100K
30% 46% 49% 5%
$100K or more
34% 47% 47% 6%
I suppose that does show some slight correlation between being a BOW (Bittter Old White) and just being a BOA (Bitter Old Anyrace).
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Right kingtut but they don’t draw and quarter people anymore and they stopped burning people at the stake just when they perfected the slow way...oh well.
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john hansen
climber
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Slowly but surely Trump is going down.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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This morning I'm in Alamogordo, NM, and came to a Denny's to get internet and breakfast. I ordered the "$4 Slam," which includes pancakes.
Went out to the van to get my maple syrup(I thought I could stomach the beet syrup they use in cheap places but one bite and...no. So, I went to dig out the syrup which was in one of the middle of the under-bed bins. Effort, when I haven't had coffee yet...
So, I go out and there's this dumazz smoking a cigarette directly in front of the door. Not only do I have to inhale his toxic pleasure, I have to contort myself to get passed him.
Because I'd read this thread while waiting...I thought "I should ask who he voted for." Of course, I know that's a bad idea, anywhere. I can't afford to have my tires damaged or windshield cracked.
On the way back, the waitress is out there smoking as well. She really ought to know better, and if not, someone at work ought to have made the policy of not fumagating the customers. Like most businesses with a clue do....
But, I had my answer as to who they voted for, as I got a snippet of the conversation, which went something like "You wouldn't believe.....these liberals...."
Safe to say at least one DT supporter is a stalwart denier of facts(smoking kills) and selfish(blocking entrance/egress - with a smoking cigarette in hand). I don't know his education level.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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People are thinking the Manafort filing today is going to be...a problem....for DT and Co. Rumors Kelly is about to resign/being let off babysitting detail.
I know we've had many "today's the day" days in the last two years, and today will not be THE day, but just another of the many Days that we learn more about what's been happening.
I guess we will see. Today I'm just going from here to Las Cruces, not very far.
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dirtbag
climber
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I just flew over your path on Tuesday
I get the feeling that like me, you appreciate a good window seat view.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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...this dumazz smoking a cigarette...
Off topic I know, but I think smokers have no idea how badly they stink. I've never smoked a cigarette and am amazed at how far away I can detect a smoker. Where I grocery shop there is a smoking area, far removed from the entrance; one smoker 50 feet away triggers the alarm. I was in line at the bank the other day, smelled that awful smell and there was the reason several people ahead: young guy smelling awful from smoke saturated clothing. I wanted to say something but of course it's not my business; I suspect he's reducing his mating chances by quite a bit, except with other smokers.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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as one who used to smoke i can attest that when i saw a girl light up I knew that meant she was possibly in the dating pool. i wouldn't worry about they guy's chances it's a deep pool
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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it's a deep pool
Perhaps, but fetid.
And could somebody, anybody, please tell me why ciggies are still legal?
Izzit so the French will still come here?
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Off topic I know, but I think smokers have no idea how badly they stink. I've never smoked a cigarette and am amazed at how far away I can detect a smoker. Where I grocery shop there is a smoking area, far removed from the entrance; one smoker 50 feet away triggers the alarm. I was in line at the bank the other day, smelled that awful smell and there was the reason several people ahead: young guy smelling awful from smoke saturated clothing. I wanted to say something but of course it's not my business; I suspect he's reducing his mating chances by quite a bit, except with other smokers. why do smokers always crack the window while driving or sitting in a car?
dirtbag, I saw something the other day where windowless planes are on the way.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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I saw something the other day where windowless planes are on the way.
Domestic airlines briefly had outside views on the seat back screens, it was pretty cool. I like the ability to track my flight enroute, but a frontal view, pilots POV would be awesome. hell, I would even pay a little for it.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=473453
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dirtbag
climber
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Yeah, I love the flight tracker feature.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Geez Fritz, it's pretty interesting that the numbers in both those graphs, Trump supporters and white Trump supporters, are EXACTLY the same. Seems a bit ... odd. If real, maybe it's because all Trump supporters are white? So what's your interpretation of this? Any deep thoughts here?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Members of Trump's 2016 campaign team, convicted of conspiring/colluding with Russian officials, regarding interference in the 2016 Presidential election:
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