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WBraun
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We've got to get the Abrahamic God out of the thinking, out of the mindset, out of the problem solving.
Then quit fuking around HFCS and YOU become god (which you are already unknowingly doing)......
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Then quit fuking around HFCS
u got owned by the Wbraun!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Owned?
So pyro i guess we've got different standards then, eh?
I bet if I pay attn to your posts, it'll become clear.
Perhaps we'll see.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Choose what you want to believe.
http://www.google.com/#q=groups+that+want+to+ban+all+guns
http://www.google.com/#q=who+wants+to+ban+all+guns
http://www.google.com/#q=gun+ban+quotes
It is not just "a few random people".
Yes, I am aware of the advocacy groups that are pushing for open carry for everyone. Idiots. Like the groups in California that got open carry banned by exercising their right to do so. Just because it's legal doesn't make it smart.
Any firearms group who advocates for additional restrictions on firearm ownership would be a group that doesn't want to exist any longer. They would lose membership. Like a republican in favor of gun control, or a democrat who would denounce it. That's why you're not hearing it. It's political suicide. The best you can hope for would be reasonable compromise during closed legislative sessions, where the voting public doesn't get to see the developmental process. Then politicians with the guts to vote their conscience. Good f*#king luck with that.
I have lost friends on both sides of the issue simply for no other reason than:
a) I own firearms, and I see no reason to give them up.
b) I am also willing to compromise, thinking that there are ways in which we could improve our society regarding firearms, including some measures that would border on circumventing our constitutional protections.
But hey, I'm just another random as#@&%e spouting my own opinion. So if ya don't like it, f*#k off. Someone else will be along shortly with an opinion that tickles yer warm fuzzies.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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I would also add to my post above, penalties for people that have guns stolen, or have in home negligent shootings, indicating a lack of responsibility in proper storage and securing of firearms.
This is the kind of thing I think we should be starting with. People/companies should be responsible for their firearm until it's ownership is legally transferred to a new, vetted owner. Produce guns but sell them to sketchy people? You're liable. Sell guns but don't ensure proper background checks and registration? You're liable. Own a gun but don't secure it properly so your kid takes it and shoots up a school or commits suicide? You're liable. Have a gun stolen but don't report it? You're liable. "Responsible gun owner" currently doesn't mean anything.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Where is that conversation taking place?
Hillary recently praised the guns laws of England and Australia. The message was obvious.
IMO, the biggest obstacle to passing reasonable gun laws is the slippery slope aspect, which is fairly common with liberal issues. A significant portion of the population sees new gun laws as stepping stones to total confiscation. History shows their fears are valid.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Hillary recently praised the guns laws of England and Australia. The message was obvious.
Obvious? Like what, she wants gun confiscation? Ha! It's a good idea, but she's too much a realist to imagine that would be possible.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Australia and that no individual may possess them. Although it is true that Australia has tough firearms laws, rifles and shotguns (both of which include semi-automatics), as well as handguns, are all legal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Edward posted IMO, the biggest obstacle to passing reasonable gun laws is the slippery slope aspect, which is fairly common with liberal issues. A significant portion of the population sees new gun laws as stepping stones to total confiscation. History shows their fears are valid.
Again, implying that the status quo in which thousands of Americans die and twice as many are injured by guns is "better." The first national gun legislation was in the 1930's. More in the 1960's. Legislation in the 90's was targeted mostly at scary looking guns and large magazines. Where is history showing a valid basis for complete gun confiscation? Or for the rounding up of gun owners into camps? It doesn't...
...and even if it did, you're still not proposing any solutions.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Both Hillary and President Obama have praised UK gun laws.
Again: IMO, the biggest obstacle to passing reasonable gun laws is the slippery slope aspect, which is fairly common with liberal issues.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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"Do you know what UK gun laws are?"
Laws?
Or Rights?
Or is there no difference?
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monolith
climber
state of being
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And gun proponents have praised Switzerland and Israel as some kind of gun utopia, yet don't really know what their gun laws are.
I'd love for the US to go to Swiss or Israel gun type laws.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Chaz: How well regulated is your militia?
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Norton
Social climber
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Both Hillary and President Obama have praised UK gun laws.
good for both of them for doing so
why aren't Republicans doing the same? why do you vote for them?
I "praise" any kind of ideas that mitigate mass murder, which is exactly what the UK,
and Australia have done
we ought to be studying and considering everything everywhere
no reasonable person should object to that, or would they? can't see why
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Ed- your snarkometer is miscalibrated.
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jonnyrig
climber
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There's no militia requirement to own a firearm. Already vetted by the supreme court, so stuff it. Besides, how would you feel about the "average" firearm owner engaging in military type assault training and thus carrying military grade weapons? After all, if you're going to insist upon membership in a military grade militia membership...
Why not mandatory background checks for EVERY sale? You'd need a national registry to give it teeth, and for those who denounce that, you buy any sudafed lately? It can be done, and better than Canada did it. BUT here's the caveat: own any weapon you want that is currently legal to own. No restrictions on ammunition either. After all, you're talking about legal owners who've been approved by the government.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Thanks for the civil response, johnny. Classy. My point is that quoting the raw text of the amendment isn't very useful. The right to bear arms IS "infringed" by some people's standards, not by others. Additionally, any "right" that provides little benefit to liberty at the great expense of life, liberty and happiness is well worth reconsideration.
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