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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 04:15pm PT
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Quite the assumption there Reilly
I don't think it is too much of a stretch. I doubt many of them are gonna
jump right into ER triage or power grid management. As for hurting anybody's
feelings I'm sure they'll all be like,
"You can call me anything, just don't call me late for my dole check."
And, really, why is it that any time one of the comrades can't refute the
facts the first thing out of their mouth is
"Hide the wimmen and children, it's a straw man!"
C'mon, Kanada is just like the US - ignore the mentals, the natives, the
Vets, etc., and bring in some more needy souls so they can all hum a verse
of Khumbaya together.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 04:29pm PT
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I've heard it many times now over the years. It drives me nuts.
And I quote...
"And it's important for our viewers to remember, Erin, that even a month ago it would have been almost inconceivable to imagine that there could have been a complex and sophisticated attack like the one we saw on Friday - multiple suicide bombings inside Paris." -Clarissa Ward, Erin Burnett Outfront, CNN
Moments ago.
(1) "almost inconceivable to imagine"?
(2) "a complex and sophisticated attack"?
C'mon!
How do they get away talking like this? such blatant nonsense.
I guess the same way Trump and others do.
Unbelievable.
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John M
climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 04:33pm PT
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Thats not any different then Bush saying they had no way of knowing that someone would use a plane as a bomb. Even though the government had studied this.
Its a shame that people believe that stuff.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 04:38pm PT
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That's actually when some of it started for me.
To this day I can remember Condoleezza Rice stating the same thing pretty much verbatim.
It's been a pet peeve of mine ever since.
You don't need to be a phd in engineering to pull off this crap, high school drop outs could do it.
But I guess a few out there who have been journalists, paper pushers, whatever all their lives who have never used tools (only their mouths?) or have never been around the nuts and bolts of electricity and mechanical things don't know this.
The silliness continues.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 19, 2015 - 04:42pm PT
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I believe there was a report on Bush's desk mentioning Bin Laden and planes over a month before 9-11. We can't afford to keep hiring political hacks and idiots of either major political species.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 04:46pm PT
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And to remind ourselves how deep the silliness and naivete go, there was even a movie starring Kurt Russell more or less along the same lines! pre-9/11.
Unbelievable.
No, nobody could imagine it.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 05:06pm PT
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HFCs, you can "accomplish" quite a bit if you're willing to die while doing it.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Nov 19, 2015 - 05:08pm PT
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So you'll have 'em north of your border as well.
Oh wow! Two walls...thanks in advance since I know you guys will be paying for it!!!
Susan
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 05:14pm PT
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Dirtbag, of course.
It's depressing how much nonsense we hear. (On tv, that is.)
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 05:36pm PT
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Americans are so stupid they are simultaneously fighting terrorists and supporting them .......
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Nov 19, 2015 - 05:48pm PT
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Well, if you mean I have to pay taxes then I suppose you're right. The biggest terrorist organization in the world. Well, one of them anyway.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 19, 2015 - 09:47pm PT
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I am entirely ashamed of my country and embarrassed by the cowardice of the ISIS supporters in congress who have allowed themselves to vote for fear. So much for leadership and principle. It's a new low in American history even by today's standards. The founding fathers weep in their graves and it blatantly disrespects the service and sacrifice of all vets.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 09:51pm PT
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I already feel safer.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 19, 2015 - 10:00pm PT
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There's a lot of fear of the unknown among conservative & not so conservative Americans at the moment.
There Always has been lots of good reasons not to accept immigrants, and there have always been folks quick to volcalize those reasons.
Fear of German immigrants, fear of Irish immigrants, fear of Italian immigrants, fear, riots and killing of 19th century Chinese immigrants, & fear, that lead to placing Japanese immigrants in concentration camps during WWII, after confiscating their property.
I think most of us regret those chapters in our history, but it appears many have not drawn wisdom from our history of paranoia towards immigrants.
I was wavering on the Syrian question, but some profound posts on ST cleared my mind.
However, this quote was the most profound.
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 19, 2015 - 10:32pm PT
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Again, it was already far easier to get a tourist visa than to acquire refugee status and, in fact, if we are attacked again, you can bet your ass it will be by US citizens, green card holders or folks with tourist visas. The hysteria and fear are palpable and you just voted for offshore internment camps. It just doesn't get more shameful than this - the first pro-ISIS vote in congress.
How many would it take?
One.
One effective person from any source - and that, last time I checked, is the definition of asymmetric warfare and what we have wrought. Bummer we no longer have the courage of our convictions when our worst-laid plans don't to pan out according to our delusions.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 20, 2015 - 12:26am PT
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Me? I voted for it? No...
Well, how did the people you voted for vote?
What about our own homeless?
What about our vets?
What about our own starving of hunger?
Rumsfeld: You go to 5-6 trillion dollar wars with the homeless population you have, not the one you want later
I don't recall any of you folks on the right worrying about vets or the homeless when we decided to invade Iraq for the Iranians to the tune of 5-6 trillion dollars. Seems highly misplaced now in the aftermath.
Could be a real business opportunity, though. Halliburton could build camps and Academi (Blackwater) could run the refugee process and post-immigration security surveillance. That's it! We just need to position it to the the GOP as a follow-on business opportunity to the Iraq War (I'm sure payday lenders would get right behind it). Also they'll all surely be hard working folk and we could load them down with good old-fashion American debt in no time. Maybe in the meantime we could just fund some McDonalds and Burger Kings in the Turkish refugee camps - they've got to eat something, right?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 20, 2015 - 01:50am PT
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how can you tell the good ones from terrorist infiltrates
Not as easily as you can tell the brave from cowards who would abandon our principles in fear or for a quick buck. And again, the terrorists will be on tourist visas.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 20, 2015 - 03:02am PT
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Because it's so much easier to get a tourist visa. You're the one who's naive, and uniformed. It already took 2-3 years to just to get refugee status and why frigging bother when you can just get a tourist visa in comparatively no time if you're interested in an attack. Otherwise it's easier to just recruit disaffected citizens in country as they did in France. The GOP refugee hysteria is just that - mindless pandering of the lowest sort and abject cowardice in the face of adversity. Cowards to a man and a disgrace to the office they hold.
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raymond phule
climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 05:15am PT
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They are intelligent deliberate and cunning people who hate everything we stand for.
That might be true. Don't many people hate
xenobia
stupid generalisations
fear mongering
"politicans" like Trump, Carson and Palin
or did you mean something else?
I realize when I read this thread that I probably should be living in a bunker, scared shitless about all muslims and refugees that live in my country.
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