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apogee
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Nov 29, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
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He's gone, Norton.
Off to tilt at some other whacknut Repuglican non-existent windmill.
Truth?...he can't handle the truth!
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apogee
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Nov 29, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
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"You challenge others to come up with a better plan, as if this one is FINE until another one is in place."
Cragman, no-one 'challenged' madbolter with anything...he has repeatedly made assertions that the ACA should be replaced with something...anything else...
And I asked him to give an example of a Republican politician...hell, I'd settle for any ideology, or even madbolter's own idea...it's his own assertion, so it should be a slamdunk...
And he can't come up with ANYTHING.
I don't think any of the leftys here have stated that they think the ACA is working perfectly and needs no changes. No...the Repugs just like to characterize it that way.
Edit: And you know as well as any of them that even if the ACA does completely implode, there sure as hell won't be any kind of alternative approach offered by anyone on the Right. It would go right back to status quo...where the GOP wanted to stay all the time.
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apogee
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Nov 29, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
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'Down economy'?
Stock market is at 16k....
Gas is $1/gallon less than last year...
Home values are on the rise...
If this was happening under any other Republican POTUS, you guys would be singing their praises.
Of course...that would probably only happen because we were engaged in a(nother) war (or three)....
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Curt
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Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 29, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
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That's tantamount to you being willing to eat plate fulls of dog sh#t because no one else is handing you anything else.
As if the pre-Obamacare plate of dog sh#t was better. What complete insanity.
Curt
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apogee
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Nov 29, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
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'Costliest bungle'?
Ask the families of the thousands of Americans who have died or become disabled in Iraq about the definition of 'costly'.
So far, I don't think a single person has died as a result of the ACA...
What defines 'costly', anyway?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 29, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
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TGT, here's a challenge for you. One I think you are brave enough to undertake. After all, I read The Wealth of Nations, so you should also have the same courage of your convictions.
My challenge: Read Socialism Re-examined by Norman Thomas.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 29, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
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Cragman, no-one 'challenged' madbolter with anything...he has repeatedly made assertions that the ACA should be replaced with something...anything else...
And I asked him to give an example of a Republican politician...hell, I'd settle for any ideology, or even madbolter's own idea...it's his own assertion, so it should be a slamdunk...
Not gone, just traveling.
I ask again: why should I have to come up with a Rebumblecrat version of anything? I'm no Rebumblecan.
And I have not said "something...anything else." I have said the ACA is a terrible law and a budding disaster, etc. But replace with "anything?" You didn't hear that from me.
However, I HAVE repeatedly posted an alternative. It could quite quickly be implemented too:
Federal single-payer system, supported entirely by a sales tax (with VERY few exempt items), with an emphasis on luxury and "vice" (unhealthy) items. There are a number of ways to DO single-payer, and I'm not particularly picky on those. But the insurance companies (and drug companies) are primarily to blame for the cost of healthcare, and I'd be fine with putting the insurance companies entirely out of business, while radically regulating drug company profits. Nobody should be making $1 on a 1-cent pill. There is simply nothing close to that sort of overhead in making drugs. So, we need a panel to review drug company practices and profits to ensure the profits are reasonable and not a function of gouging to citizenry.
And, as I've repeatedly said, I am not an advocate of laissez faire economics. Part of the fed's JOB is to regulate.
"Can't come up with anything?" That's pretty amazing for you to claim, given that I've said this same thing again and again.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Nov 29, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
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This from Jeff Lowe's FB page today.
Jeff Lowe
WooHoo!! Connie Self, my hospice social worker and I just completed my application for Obamacare via connectforhealthco.com. Took a few hours and a couple quick phone calls to them - but it really went quite smoothly. It did take a small village of 3 - hehehe! I sure am grateful to have insurance at this time of my life. Thank you Barack Obama
But then on the other hand we have TeaGeeTea and his pansy assed cut and paste non sequitur non sense.
I'll let you decide who to believe.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 29, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
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"Jeff Lowe
WooHoo!! Connie Self, my hospice social worker and I just completed my application for Obamacare"
That is right in line with what's being reported; The old, sick, and those with other medical problems needing treatment are the ones signing up.
The young and healthy are staying away, because it's not a good investment for them.
Can you say "death spiral" ?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Nov 29, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
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I will be signing up. I do intend to wait until spring, when I will have a better idea on what my income level for the year will be. And I have no intention of running off to the doctor when I do get health coverage either.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 30, 2013 - 01:11am PT
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This will go down as THE costliest bungle in the history of our nation. That will be Obama's legacy, and why he is our worst POTUS ever.
it's all about the cash
except when it's not
costliest bungle...
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 30, 2013 - 01:20am PT
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The young and healthy are staying away, because it's not a good investment for them.
Car insurance may not be a good investment either--depending on how you drive and luck. Does that mean you should also consider purchasing car insurance strictly as an "investment?"
Curt
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 30, 2013 - 01:39am PT
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Car insurance isn't mandatory. My Grandmother doesn't have to purchase car insurance. She's completely exempt. There's no fine for just not having car insurance.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 30, 2013 - 01:47am PT
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Why do you think, genius? Use your head. ( it probably still won't come to you, obvious as it is, no matter how hard you use your head )
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 30, 2013 - 02:02am PT
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Car insurance isn't mandatory. My Grandmother doesn't have to purchase car insurance. She's completely exempt. There's no fine for just not having car insurance.
Because she is a effing illegal, of course. They are also exempted from the ACA.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 30, 2013 - 02:05am PT
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That makes me an Anchor Baby!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 30, 2013 - 02:26am PT
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Conservative? Me? I'm more liberal than you are! But you can't see it, because reading comprehension isn't your strong subject. Far from it, you dunce!
Go sit in the corner with your cone-shaped hat, dunce. Come back when you can read right.
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apogee
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Nov 30, 2013 - 03:15am PT
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Cragman, I'll see your partisan opinion piece and raise you a college survey:
A 2006 Siena College poll of 744 professors reported the following results:[13]
"George W. Bush has just finished five years as President. If today were the last day of his presidency, how would you rank him? The responses were: Great: 2%; Near Great: 5%; Average: 11%; Below Average: 24%; Failure: 58%."
"In your judgment, do you think he has a realistic chance of improving his rating?” Two-thirds (67%) responded no; less than a quarter (23%) responded yes; and 10% chose "no opinion or not applicable."
A 2010 Siena poll of 238 Presidential scholars found that former president George W. Bush was ranked 39th out of 43, with poor ratings in handling of the economy, communication, ability to compromise, foreign policy accomplishments, and intelligence. Meanwhile, the current president, Barack Obama was ranked 15th out of 43, with high ratings for imagination, communication ability and intelligence and a low rating for background (family, education and experience).[14][15]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Nov 30, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
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Car insurance isn't mandatory. My Grandmother doesn't have to purchase car insurance. She's completely exempt. There's no fine for just not having car insurance.
I am assuming the reason is that she doesn't have a vehicle registered in her name.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr18.htm
And someone went off on the "illegal immigrant tangent? My God,Werner is right about how damned stupid we are.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 30, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
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What makes you think I voted for Romney?
Please advise.
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