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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Hey Ron, you should read that article I posted:
"According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities."
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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"I don't remember the NRA saying that black teenagers
should all be armed after Trayvon Martin was murdered."
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I have a CCL, I carry a 9mm inside my belt almost all day when I am out.
It is absurd, paranoid, childish, to keep screaming that my guns are going to be "taken away".
NO ONE is talking about taking guns away from people who legally own them.
NO ONE is going to come to your home and take away your god damn guns.
What SOME people are suggesting is that perhaps after much discussion maybe we can arrive at a way to mitigate mass murder WITHOUT TAKING YOUR GUNS AWAY
still don't get it yet?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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They won't take away the guns.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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2500 times last year alone legal gun owners stopped violent crime when confronted with it long before any police assistance ...
So? There are well over a million "Violent Crimes" every year, 2500 is hardly enough to even be a rounding error. How many violent crimes were stopped simply by the victim running away?
In 2009 there were 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries.
Want to keep playing pointless stats ping pong?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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I'm with that Bruce and it's a huge issue. I joined a range that recycles the lead out of the berms (which is only better, not perfect) and has filters on the air scrubbers for the indoor range so as to minimize spreading that stuff around the woods. Lead fishing weights from broken tackle getting left in the water is a big, perhaps bigger issue, as well IMO.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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It's that damn LIBERUL media again. A conservative media outlet like Fox would never portray violence in a gratuitous manner.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Including the conservative media. (the biggest network, btw)
Wake up.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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I've always found in interesting that in the US, I can watch an Afghan's head getting blown off (aka "a terrorist") on CNN but I can't see a woman's breast or hear the word "F!ck"
Another great example where Federal laws don't make any sense.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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the "favorite" gun used in crimes is a S&W... NOT some foreign bullshit counter fit.
Huh?
counter fit?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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the "favorite" gun used in crimes is a S&W... NOT some foreign bullshit counter fit.
Huh?
counter fit?
I just ignored it. It hurt my head less.
The media is such a f*cking propaganda machine, if you disagree you're helpless.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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hahahaaa CRAGMAN... I consider myself a liberal and I have never even heard of that movie. The last time I watched a movie like that was when I was about 10 years old, at my cousin's house, they watched 3-5 of those movies a month... they are all EXTREMELY RELIGIOUS, EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE, AND EXTREMELY RACISTS. They all love their guns, god, and every kind of oil burning machine imaginable. They are "good" Uhmerikuhns.
Stallone = liberal media?
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S&W counterfit: yeah, whatever... I was going off of what the other Ron said over and over... something about all the gangsters using imported cheap knockoffs blah blah blah.
Please don't avoid the question because I am truly curious. According to the US ATF, via Time, the most popular gun used in crimes is a S&W .38 (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,320383,00.html);. Presumably these are originally sold legally. So how do they get into the hands of criminals? That many cannot be stolen from people's houses.
The frontline article I posted earlier says the majority are acquired through "straw purchases." Please read and tell me how stricter gun regulations would NOT help reduce those acquisitions. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html
Here's another source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html
So why all the resistance to increased gun control? The gov isn't coming after your guns. You couldn't defend yourself against the gov even if they did. If you are a responsible gun lover then presumably you already have a gun to protect your home, could easily pass any tests or evaluations required, and KNOW well in advance of your purchase that you want more guns. So why do you oppose increased regulations (evaluations, tests, classes, background checks, insurance, whatever... something... anything that might have any effect)? Is it that you don't want to be inconvenienced? Even if it means preventing 1 Sandy Hook type shooting every 10 years... isn't THAT alone worth it?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Don't forget about that well-known liberal, Schwarzenegger.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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What are you f*#k heads talking about?
Liberal media = Pierce Morgan, CNN, whoever recites Nancy Pelosi policies.
You guys don't use your brains.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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michaeld, please don't go off on the liberal media strawman bullsh#t. I don't own a TV and I certainly don't watch the "news" and I don't read a regular newspaper. When I want to learn something I read a minimum of 3-5 sources and do follow up research. That has me reading everything from the Washington Times to National Review to Aljazeera to Frontline. But usually I stick to scientific literature and government statistics.
I would appreciate it if you would answer the questions. I really am trying to figure out why people who love guns are so against ANY further regulation. And how they can flippantly regurgitate the "don't blame the guns" or "guns don't kill people" crap in the face of a tragedy... rather than admit that NEVER would have happened with a knife or a club or anything other than a gun.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I really am trying to figure out why people who love guns are so against ANY further regulation
unfounded Slippery Slope fear
FEAR
irrational FEAR
remember the 1940s movie Reeder Madness?
If you smoke one joint you WILL become a Heroin addict.
ANY additional legislation to mitigate mass murder means they WILL come for MY guns.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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I would appreciate it if you would answer the questions. I really am trying to figure out why people who love guns are so against ANY further regulation. And how they can flippantly regurgitate the "don't blame the guns" or "guns don't kill people" crap in the face of a tragedy... rather than admit that NEVER would have happened with a knife or a club or anything other than a gun.
Go back a few pages and read how I AM FOR more regulation.
Your kid gets killed in a car accident because an alcoholic, who's been previously cited for DUI's and public drunkeness, decides to plow into the side of your kid going 95+ after downing 2 bottles of Jack and topped it off with some Patron.
Lucky for him, he's in a big ass Chevy Tahoe, unfortunately for your little Timmy, he was in a Geo Metro.
Let's blame Chevy.
The same day, in China, a man went into a classroom and did the same thing with a knife.
Oh wait, the kids didn't die, so it's perfectly okay.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Responsibility gets you down, huh?
Keep typing the same, sad lines, dude.
Emphasis on responsibility, please.
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Meschrist, the children still got stabbed.
Am I the only person here, who sees something wrong with that?
Just because they didn't die, it must be so much better?
THE MAN WHO STABBED THE F*CK OUT OF A BUNCH OF LITTLE KIDS IN CHINA, AND THE BAT SH#T INSANE KID IN CT WHO SHOT THE SH*T OUT OF A BUNCH OF LITTLE KIDS, WERE BOTH, MENTALLY F*CKING INSANE.
But, as long as they don't kill anyone, it's okay...
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Let's take a vote:
I say NOTHING, no legislation will be passed.
Prediction: We will go through MANY more mass murders before ANY bill is passed.
Because FEAR rules, not the fear of mass murder, but the fear of Slippery Slope
The dumbfuks are in charge, and they are OWNED by other dumbfuks
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