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monolith

climber

albany,ca

Jul 29, 2012 - 09:16pm PT

Now that we know what to do, let's set our time machines and take care of the situation properly. An equally useless answer.

Mark Hudon

Trad climber

Hood River, OR

Jul 29, 2012 - 10:21pm PT

It would be great if the Iron Hawk TR I'm going to post shortly would get this many comments!

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jul 29, 2012 - 10:36pm PT

Dream on. What do you think this is? A climbing forum?

frank wyman

Mountain climber

helena montana

Jul 30, 2012 - 01:59pm PT

So I was getting my ass-kicked by a couple of drunken indians in a bar in Rock Springs WYO.in the 70's and when I was making my tactical retreat(read running for my life)I remembered I had my Stubi Ashenbrener Ice axe in my trunk, I weilded at them (with little red rubber tip protecter and blade cover)and they retreated throwing their beer bottles as they left....So climbing gear saved me in a pinch...again...But a gun would have seriously changed the outcome also..

Don Paul

Big Wall climber

Colombia, South America

Jul 30, 2012 - 02:08pm PT

And not in a good way, for you or any of them. Thank God you didn't have a gun. I've been there too, and running away is always the best option. The blowhards bragging about how they can blow criminals away have never actually done this, it's just a fantasy they like to think about.

I sometimes take shotokan karate, when there's nothing else I can do for exercise. It's actually pretty good training, although there is a continuous theme returning - you have to be prepared for the big day, when you get attacked. That's when you can finally try out what you learned, and break someone's neck. This was a real turn off for me, I can't get into the karate mindset because it's the wrong way to react to that kind of situation.

monolith

climber

albany,ca

Jul 30, 2012 - 02:35pm PT

Speaking of assault weapons, here's the California Attorney General's Assault Weapons Identification Guide.

Assault Weapons Identification Guide.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jul 30, 2012 - 03:56pm PT

Hey Jody, what do you think of the Calico comments?

michaeld

Sport climber

Sacramento

Jul 30, 2012 - 04:17pm PT

California is a crazy place.

I think it's the mix of the mountain and ocean air, with a small tinge of the desert heat.

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Jul 30, 2012 - 04:22pm PT

maybe because it has an incredibly large population of over 38 million people?

my state of New Mexico has maybe 2 million

which state is more likely to have someone reported in the news, good or bad?

Gary

climber

"My god - it's full of stars!"

Jul 30, 2012 - 04:46pm PT

so why is it that all the crazies either are going to california or coming from there? every nut case in america lives in california or wants to live in california

And quite a few of them came from Indiana: Jim Jones, Charlie Manson, William and Emily Harris for starters.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jul 30, 2012 - 05:27pm PT

Hey Rox, where ya been?

michaeld

Sport climber

Sacramento

Jul 30, 2012 - 06:31pm PT

Just a question;

Have any of you anti-gun folks, ever not held / shot a gun?

Why/Why not?

michaeld

Sport climber

Sacramento

Jul 30, 2012 - 06:40pm PT

I'm sorry! :( I'll stick to hayt bashing you snappery-pestery-anti gun folk!

damn weiners u ppl!

monolith

climber

albany,ca

Jul 30, 2012 - 06:41pm PT

I have, what's your point?

Is there supposed to be some kind of epiphany?

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Jul 30, 2012 - 06:42pm PT

Michaeld - I'd be curious if people view themselves as anti-gun. Is that like labeling someone as pro-abortion? Or pro-gun-violence.

Know what I mean?

Maybe better to ask if those feeling that the country should find a way to better regulate the obtaining of firearms have held a firearm? Or something like that.

Just some thoughts.

michaeld

Sport climber

Sacramento

Jul 30, 2012 - 06:45pm PT

Maybe better to ask if those feeling that the country should find a way to better regulate the obtaining of firearms have held a firearm? Or something like that.

Crimp, I asked the question, how I want it answered. Isn't what you said, basically all we've been talking about the last 900 posts? Who is for/against, why/why not?

Monolith, this doesn't apply to you obviously.

No epiphany. I just want to know what makes them not want to. Parent's scare them? Gun violence affect them somehow?

michaeld

Sport climber

Sacramento

Jul 30, 2012 - 07:45pm PT

But most of the time, gun owners are frightening themselves irrationally. They have conjured in their own imaginations a much more terrifying environment than genuinely exists -- and they are living a fantasy about the security their guns will bestow. And to the extent that they are right -- to the extent that the American environment is indeed more dangerous than the Australian or Canadian or German or French environment -- the dangers gun owners face are traceable to the prevalence of the very guns from which they so tragically mistakenly expect to gain safety.

Is this how most anti-gun people think? Monolith, your input can be used here.

monolith

climber

albany,ca

Jul 30, 2012 - 07:57pm PT

I think that's the general idea for me. But anti-gun does not necessarily mean confiscate all guns. I want the federal assault ban reinstated to slow down the flow of assault weapons to Mexico. At least limit the purchase to 1 a month to limit the straw purchases. A handful of states have the ban now, and I'm happy to live in one. Romney even signed one.

michaeld

Sport climber

Sacramento

Jul 30, 2012 - 07:58pm PT

You know what loop holes are, right?

You know "Assault weapons" are still bought regularly, even in CA?

I'm all for the stopping of weapons going to Mexico... But more for the stopping of weapons coming from Mexico. They go untraced, into gangster's hands. Then pointed at our heads for some money.

Would you be more afraid of someone with 50 assault rifles, of all different makes and models, and a room full of pistols, all displayed nicely, or someone with one assault rifle, tons of mags, one pistol, tons of mags, ammo, and gear to hold it all?

I highly doubt the guy collecting dozens if not hundreds of guns, is gonna be a mass shooter. They might even be your best friend.