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WBraun
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It's really you MH that's that's constantly throwing out ad hominem remarks at klimmer.
You always do it in a subtle way.
That's your style and then say he's the one to be throwing them out.
You're one of the biggest sheep around.
Go back to your sheeple New York Times ......
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jstan
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I do have to admit. Here on the California coast we do miss being in the City where everything of value is located.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dr. Steve Pieczenik is a critically acclaimed author of psycho-political thrillers and the co-creator of the New York Times best-selling "Tom Clancy's Op-Center" and "Tom Clancy's Net Force" book series. He is also one of the world's most experienced international crisis managers and hostage negotiators. His novels are based on his twenty years experience in resolving international crises for four U.S. administrations.
In other words, he is a writer of fiction.
Klimmer, I wasted my time looking at the links, and he is an OLD HAS-BEEN, who has not been on the "inside" for a long time.
Use a little logic: What "insider" comes out contradicting the administration, and continues to be an insider?
Where are HIS photos? Where is HIS birth certificate?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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dipwad
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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LoveGasoline wrote
Karl if you truly believe in Corporatocracy, propaganda, CIA foul play, and government misinformation then how do can you condemn the media's information dissemination as false constructs and at the same time also depend upon it 100% to construct and grow your theories?
Obviously you are (sitting in rural California) completely dependent on 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 10th, 20th, or 100th generation information for your data. What special super powers do you have to untangle the labyrinth of riddles and discern the True from the false?
Sometimes it's key to realize you are being lied to, even as it becomes impossible to know the ultimate truth. When the Media reports what government's say, and on events, and there becomes holes and logical inconsistencies, it's possible to learn something. I can say for sure we're being lied to (and the story has already changed a couple times even on the recent hit) I can't say what the truth is.
Sorta like if a guy comes home with lip-stick on his collar and smells like perfume and he tells his wife he was shopping for her in the cosmetics department but then his credit card bill shows an expensive lunch restaurant and hotel bill charged in mid-day, a girl has to wonder
Folks should ask themselves why they are reluctant to question reality when contradictory information comes up. We like the security of being told how to think.
But it's clear if you dig below the surface here that we aren't asking the right questions about Bin Laden. We have no solid evidence and the public knows practically nothing about the role of Bin Laden in 9-11. Isn't that important since we've been in a war for 10 years in Afghanistan based on Bin Laden when Saudi Arabians did 9-11, planned in Germany we're told?
Peace
karl
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WBraun
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Nobody in the media wants to go anywhere near too close to the truth .......
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dirtbag
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Backed by credible sources.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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I still remember *very* clearly seeing on tv at DOJ (I believe it was CNN) on 9/11/01 the fiery disaster in DC as the commentator stated "the mall has been hit, the mall is on fire."
This immediately preceded - no it PROMPTED - my running for my life to get the hell out of DC before the next hit came.
Were they lying? No. They were mistaken. There are other options for inconsistencies. Lying is only one.
edit: I'm not saying to accept info either way, but to open up to other options.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Thing is LoveGasoline, what are your really saying?
You aren't addressing any facts about Bin Laden and his 9-11 Involvement. You are criticizing applying critical thinking about the issue. What if nobody did so about the Gulf of Tonkin incident? Maybe in the end the Vietnam war still happened but it's damn obvious the government lies to us to justify war. Why is that not important?
Peace
karl
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shut up and pull
climber
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BUT HOPEY PROMISED US HE WOULD HEAL THE WORLD, MAKE MUSLIMS LIKE US!
Pakistanis burn U.S. flags; backlash over death grows...
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shut up and pull
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FASCIST:
Obama floats plan to tax cars -- by the mile...
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shut up and pull
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AMATEUR HOUR, FROM BRITAIN:
The White House press operation should be a well-oiled machine – and under Carney’s predecessor, Robert Gibbs, it sometimes gave the impression of being just that. But with Carney at the helm, it is more like that of a rinky-dink City Hall somewhere in the Deep South. One colleague described Carney’s rabbit-in-the-headlights performance as “sub-Whitehall” – worse, even, than that of a lone British civil servant with a cellphone and a laptop in the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. For the public face of the White House to be someone so lacking in gravitas is a PR disaster.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Show credible sources that state that Obama said he would "heal the world"
and "make Muslims like us"
What a dumb little fuk SUAP is
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WBraun
climber
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If you guys really want the truth it's out there but it takes a lot of hard work.
Just Google around will not work.
That's what most people do Google a few places and they're convinced.
It's not that easy ....
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shut up and pull
climber
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FEEL THE HOPEY AND CHANGEY!
THE ECONOMIST: America’s Jobless Men. “Of all the big, rich Group of Seven economies, America has the lowest share of ‘prime age’ males in work: just over 80% of those aged between 25 and 54 have a job. In the late 1960s 95% worked.”
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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just a little something to think about
From
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15892
Bin Laden, on September 12, 16, 17, and 28 - stated that he had had nothing to do with the attacks. In the September statement, he had even declared:
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. . . . [W]e are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed.35
Is it likely that he would have made such statements if he himself had authorized the attacks and thereby the killing of innocents?
So later two tapes, show up, one with a guy who doesn't look plausibly like Bin Laden, shows up where he takes credit, but is writing with the wrong hand, wearing a gold ring (against Wahabbi beliefs) and more. That's enough to make me look deeper and what I find is almost nothing. We made Bin Laden the bogyman of 9-11 based on the politicians repeating it over and over. Show me some evidence.
Not saying he's a nice guy. It's plain he was behind violent attacks elsewhere. Just saying we're being manipulated. Who's the next bogyman? This sort of stuff happens just before we're being called to swallow some new military action.
Peace
karl
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shut up and pull
climber
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THE CRONIES IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS' UNIONS -- WHO FUND THE DEM PARTY -- WOULDNT LIKE THAT!
IF SUPERMARKETS WERE LIKE PUBLIC SCHOOLS: What if groceries were paid for by taxes, and you were assigned a store based on where you live?
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shut up and pull
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FROM INSTAPUNDIT:
PATHETIC: The European Media Reacts to Death of Osama Bin Laden. “European journalists have focused on whether the killing was permissible under international law; some are now calling for an international commission to investigate the American action. . . . In a reflection of the acute sense of moral superiority that is so common in contemporary Europe, secular analysts who are normally highly disdainful of Judeo-Christian moral codes have gone so far as to accuse the United States of violating the Fifth Commandment, without a hint of irony.”
Two things: First, if international law makes killing Osama bin Laden illegal, then the problem is with international law. Second — and you knew this was coming — “They told me if I voted Republican, Europeans would be calling our president a war criminal. And they were right!”
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