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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 22, 2011 - 01:55pm PT
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stan,
You are correct, of course. But if the EU isn't the definition of socialism
then what is? I recall hearing an NPR thing about the small family farmers
of Hungary who were struggling to comprehend the 5000 pages of BS they were
supposed to abide by after Hungary's joining. I mean, really, 56 pages about
inseminating a cow?
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Jorroh
climber
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Jul 22, 2011 - 02:13pm PT
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I did read it. Bloated isn't a very scientific term. Should we collectively build roads? is that bloated government?...some people think Government should be out of Education...is our education system Socialist. Where exactly is that line in your mind?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 22, 2011 - 02:23pm PT
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Bloated isn't a very scientific term
That's why economics is "the dismal science". BwaHaHaHa!
Why don't you read the two articles I posted and comment on them. As Skipt
astutely notes it is pretty silly arguing about a definition which doesn't exist.
Only a socialist would print up 56 pages about inseminating a cow.
How the hell are you gonna turn the pages while you're doing it?
ps
For the record - I believe in unions, unemployment insurance, universal
health care, and accessible education. It is how you go about it and how you
pay for it that matters.
Oh, and Locker, that wasn't nice of you to shop my face in such a grimace;
I'm much more serene than that.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 22, 2011 - 02:25pm PT
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I'll read it later Reilly, when I get home. Thanks for sharing it.
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jstan
climber
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Jul 22, 2011 - 02:41pm PT
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I almost think this discussion is going to be helpful. Are we not ready to agree that we have put the word "socialist" to uses the word cannot support? Words have their limits. We cannot usefully ignore those limits.
People of all persuasions can, and do, make mistakes. Perhaps due to my limited experience and certain proclivities, have never ever inseminated a cow. I would have to read those 56 pages before I could comment. Seems a lot I must admit. Almost as extreme as our Congressional Acts running to 2000 pages and more. Reilly, do you have a link to that documentation?
I will say this about our criticism of the EU. Is it just for a nation that cannot agree on its own budget, to criticize anyone uninformedly? Just a question. Not putting oneself in the position of being a pot, requires being constantly on guard, I have found.
But these all are important questions.
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apogee
climber
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Jul 22, 2011 - 04:27pm PT
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More and more, I'm inclined to believe that the GOP really doesn't want the economy to improve- if it does, Obama will get the credit, and they stay out of power. It's a better political strategy to oppose everything, offer no solutions, no compromises, then when things don't improve much, hang it all on the Dems. 2012 rolls around, and whammo- they're in.
While an effective political strategy, it's unbelievably cynical, selfish, and un-American in their duties as public servants. Meh.
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jstan
climber
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Jul 22, 2011 - 04:56pm PT
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Was it not during Reagan's presidency that we began to hear "starve the government into submission"? Having small to impotent government means no regulation. The 2008 mess showed how much profit a very few people can gain from economic disaster even when those people were at the source. These trends all favor the idea of effective government by the few.
Our government was first formed by people who were very strongly influenced by events in Louis XVI's France, a government by the few until a lot of heads got chopped off, mostly randomly. But very few of us remember all of that. Thanks to a gutted educational system.
Lincoln said no foreign army would ever drink from the Ohio river. True danger arises from what is already here.
A fifth column whether by intent or by happenstance, if you will.
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jstan
climber
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Jul 22, 2011 - 05:07pm PT
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Jeff:
"Repubs are for a small efficient government, regulations are sensible and reasonable, personal accountability and opportunity for all."
In no way would I characterize what we received from 2000-2008 as expressed above.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 22, 2011 - 10:26pm PT
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 22, 2011 - 10:39pm PT
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Skipt...Dogfood...? i thought it was twinkies...get your facts straight..
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 22, 2011 - 10:46pm PT
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Fartrad...Republicans want accountability.....Then why arent Bush and Cheney in prison and the rest of the scam artist responsible for the economic meltdown being hauled into court?....I like your postings and sense of humor but this one was your best yet...
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jul 23, 2011 - 03:17am PT
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Reilly said Maybe your definition of socialism doesn't encompass a government with a bloated
bueaucracy which doesn't pay its bills but mine does. Go read the article.
See there isn't some special snowflake definition of socialism that we all get to choose. It's an agreed upon term to define a method of governance. If that is really your definition of "socialism" then we should just embrace our socialist roots since basically every generation of Americans has complained about a bloated bureaucracy that doesn't pay it's bills
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jul 23, 2011 - 04:04am PT
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Skipt insisted Because of this, I highly doubt your computer business was very much
So your closing argument defending the premise of your comic strip is that my computer business, which supported myself and 3 other people quite comfortably for years, "wasn't very much." You are literally trying to prove how little I know about Y2K by saying you know something you know literally nothing about...
...all to defend your terrible political comic.
I'm not sure continuing to play the "maturity card" is your strongest angle here skipt. Might want to shy away from that one.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jul 23, 2011 - 07:57am PT
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pelosi: "we have to pass the [obamacare] law to learns what's in it"
well, libs, you got your wish:
"A major provision of the healthcare reform law designed to prevent businesses from dropping coverage for their workers could inadvertently leave families without access to subsidized health insurance. The problem is a huge headache for the Obama administration and congressional Democrats, because it could leave families unable to buy affordable health insurance when the healthcare law requires that everyone be insured starting in 2014. Some of the administration’s closest allies on healthcare reform warn this situation could dramatically undercut support for the law, which already is unpopular with many voters and contributed to Democrats losing the House in the 2010 midterm elections.
At issue is a so-called “firewall” in the law that denies subsidies to workers whose employers offer quality, affordable coverage...In calculating the bill’s cost last year, Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) took the law to mean that employers and their families aren’t eligible for subsidies as long as the individual plan is affordable — regardless of the price of the family plan. This means the costs to an employee for covering his or her family could be too high to afford for many working families."
"oh brave new world that has such creatures in't"
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jul 23, 2011 - 08:06am PT
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"what evidence do we have that Obama knows what he’s doing?"...asks...
yer never gonna believe it...
paul krugman?????!!!
if barry has lost krugman, then, well, you know the rest
the irony, of course, is not that WE knew all along that barry has no idea what he's doing...or that it took a nobel prize winner over two years to figure out barry has no idea what he's doing (i mean, if barry can win a nobel, well...)
no, the irony is that krugman is criticizing barry for not being "progressive"
is there a prize for the dumbest nobel prize winner, ever? krugman, gore, or barry?
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Jorroh
climber
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Jul 23, 2011 - 08:49am PT
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I certainly know who'd win the prize as the dumbest, most irrelevant, and least credible poster on Supertopo.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jul 25, 2011 - 02:12pm PT
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The attempt to ignore the McKinsey Report is, sad to say, typical of this administrations's defenders. When I actively practiced law, there was a popular saying: "When the law's against you, emphasize the facts. When the facts are against you, emphasize the law. When they're both against you, speak forcefully and pound the table."
The administration's supporters are speaking forcefully and pounding the table rather a lot of late.
John
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