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Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jul 21, 2011 - 10:23pm PT
Why does the chicken get the H1N1 blame in that cartoon? Thought H1N1 was the 'swine flu' though we aren't supposed to call it such.

Have I lost all my memory? Gack.
jstan

climber
Jul 22, 2011 - 01:37am PT
I was totally unaware of this important issue facing the American people.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/fox-host-mitt-romney-obviously-not-a-christian-52430/

The Christian Post

U.S.|Mon, Jul. 18 2011 07:40 AM EDT
Fox Host: Mitt Romney Obviously Not a Christian
By Anugrah Kumar | Christian Post Contributor

Mitt Romney is “not a Christian” and therefore he may not have a good chance of raising big money among Christians if Rick Perry runs for president, “Fox & Friends” co-host Ainsley Earhardt said Sunday.

The discussion on Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s possible run for the White House Sunday morning led Earhardt, Fox News correspondent and weekend co-host of the daily news analysis, to pronounce what many evangelicals and mainstream Christians believe: former Massachusetts Gov. Romney, a Mormon, is “obviously not a Christian.”

The talk turned to Romney, the presumptive frontrunner, when host Dave Briggs said he wasn’t sure if Perry could “get in and raise money with Mitt Romney.” Co-host Clayton Morris replied that many Republican thought he couldn’t. But Earhardt disagreed. “Well the Christian coalition … I think [Rick Perry] can get a lot of money from that base because [of] Romney obviously not being a Christian … Rick Perry, he’s always on talk shows, on Christian talk shows, he has days of prayer in Texas,” she said.

This comes amid efforts of Romney, one of the two Mormon presidential contenders apart from Jon Huntsman, to woo evangelical voters. Both Romney and Huntsman spoke at the last month’s Faith and Freedom Conference in Washington, D.C., in an apparent attempt to show their commitment to key social issues and to conservative voters.

However, many evangelicals say the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Romney’s denomination, is non-Christian. While a June 2011 Pew poll showed that 58 percent of white evangelicals didn’t see a problem in supporting a Mormon candidate, evangelicals are warning the voters to be careful.

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“Let’s face it; Romney simply doesn’t have a consistent worldview and much of what he does believe is contrary to the conservative and Christian worldview,” states an open letter being circulated on July 14, according to Michigan Messenger. Some prominent religious right leaders, including Gary Glenn of the American Family Association’s Michigan chapter, have signed the letter.

“That might be fine for someone running for city council, but he’s running for the presidency of the most powerful nation in the world. To accept his multiple conversions as authentic and then give him the keys to the White House would be foolish. At this critical time in American history, we need a leader more than ever who has spent a lifetime defending and promoting conservative principles. The last thing we need is someone whose ideology abruptly shifted only after he and his consultants decided to prepare him for his first Presidential campaign,” it adds.

In a recent interview with The Christian Post, pastor and author Mark Driscoll said Christian leaders needed to be careful about publicly supporting candidates lest they “turn out to be not that moral.” Driscoll said he could understand the struggle Christians would have considering Romney for president. “He supports our values; he doesn’t worship our God.”

However, Romney plays down the difference between the mainstream Christianity and Mormonism. “There is one fundamental question about which I often am asked. What do I believe about Jesus Christ?” he said in a speech on December 6, 2007.

“My church’s beliefs about Christ may not all be the same as those of other faiths,” Romney said, adding, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of mankind.” Each religion, he said, has its own unique doctrines and history. “These are not bases for criticism but rather a test of our tolerance. Religious tolerance would be a shallow principle indeed if it were reserved only for faiths with which we agree.”

Romney argued that requiring a presidential candidate to describe and explain his church’s distinctive doctrines “would enable the very religious test the founders prohibited in the Constitution.”

In his 2008 run for the Republican nomination, Romney was a close contender behind eventual nominee John McCain. During Romney’s campaign, Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said, “Here is the bottom line. As an Evangelical Christian – a Christian who holds to the ‘traditional Christian orthodoxy’ of the Church – I do not believe that Mormonism leads to salvation.”

More recently, evangelical journalist Warren Cole Smith ignited debate when he said he could not vote for a Mormon because they hold to false teachings. Placing a Mormon in the White House "would serve to normalize the false teachings of Mormonism the world over," he said in a post on Patheos.com last month.

"As an evangelical Christian who believes that Mormonism is a false religion, I think it only makes sense that I would not want to be a part of any effort – either intentional or not – that would spread a false religion," Smith said.

Correction: Tuesday, July 19, 2011:


An article on Monday, July 18, 2011, about a Fox News co-host saying Mitt Romney is not a Christian incorrectly reported that an open letter being circulated addressed Romney's faith. The Christian Post confirmed with Gary Glenn, president of American Family Association of Michigan, that the letter solely addressed his public policy record on issues such as abortion and the homosexual agenda, and not his faith.
©2011 The Christian Post. All rights reserved.


HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 22, 2011 - 02:50am PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/us/22haboob.html?_r=1&hp

“I am insulted that local TV news crews are now calling this kind of storm a haboob,” Don Yonts, a resident of Gilbert, Ariz., wrote to The Arizona Republic after a particularly fierce, mile-high dust storm swept through the state on July 5. “How do they think our soldiers feel coming back to Arizona and hearing some Middle Eastern term?”


Oh man I wish I was back in Az so I could troll the crap out of these people. And by "these people" I obviously mean Skipt's relatives.


*edit*





Best part of this is that those things actually happened. (except carmageddon whatever that was supposed to be)


Shows the close attention that people pay to real life.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 22, 2011 - 03:27am PT
skipt said
These are examples of rallying cries for nonsense.


Thank you for proving my point.

Y2K: A massive, civilization changing collapse of our technological infrastructure was averted by people spending the money and taking the time to update their computers. Problems still happened, but no planes fell from the sky so it was "all just hype."

H1N1: A very virile form of flu spread globally but Americans largely got their flu shots and hospitals/governments prepared for the worst and hoped for the best and crisis was largely averted. Many people were still infected, and many otherwise healthy 18-30 year olds who usually laugh off the flu were admitted to ICUs, but because millions of people didn't die it was "all just hype."

Hope: A really old man who was willing to sell all his principles down the river if someone runs at him from further to the right was nearly elected president but Americans turned out in droves to support the alternate candidate, a smart, young man who spoke of bipartisanship and a future that wasn't simply everyone screaming at each other like the average night on Supertopo. Healthcare reform was passed at long last giving Skipt's friends access to healthcare that they had previously had to beg for, the world at large now sees America as more of an ally again instead of an antagonist and the President actually tries to find bipartisan fixes to the country's problems, but because we aren't all holding hands and putting flowers in each others' hair and Republicans see it to their advantage to be even MORE partisan instead of less, it was "all just hype."

It really is a perfect comic. It depicts in a subtle and beautiful way how eager people are to look at events based solely on the leading media narrative and allow that narrative to then define those events while ignoring the actual history and facts of reality. And then, of course, blindly link it all over the internet.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 22, 2011 - 03:34am PT
Again, if by "nonsense" you mean taking the steps necessary to avert actual problems.

Apparently it wasn't "worth it" to update our computers in the 90's since catastrophe didn't happen....but it didn't happen because we updated our computers.

It wasn't "worth it" to make sure people got flu shots and that hospitals were prepared to treat very ill people because catastrophe didn't happen...but catastrophe was averted because people got the shots and hospitals were able to mitigate the ill.

I'm going to bed now, because you're going to pretend that this post doesn't answer your question, as then you would be forced to rethink your fragile worldview. Night.


*edit* oh hey you're editing your post. Pretend you didn't edit it and then my post will make more sense. Peace.

*reedit*
I can't make hide nor hair out of what your real point is above

It's like a 9th grade reading level. Maybe actually think about it before you are so eager to repost and you won't sound so much like LEB.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 22, 2011 - 03:52am PT
I would like to make a correction. My post above, according to the Flesch-Kincaid method, was at a 16.4 grade level which I can now understand why you had a tough time with it, and I apologize.

Feel free to think that it was the vaccinations that kept people healthy during the swine flu epidemic. But, too bad for you this vaccine came out after the epidemic had past. Look it up.

Alas for you, I treated patients who had H1N1 last winter well after I had received my own H1N1 vaccine which sort of disproves your point. Oops.

In further disappointment for you, the comic you eagerly linked is captioned "Things that never materialized." You already admitted they did, so the rest of this is you trying to assert some sort of "being rightness" by moving goalposts and splitting hairs about what the threat of Y2K REALLY was.

OK I finished brushing my teeth. Gnight for real.

P.s.- Gratz on capitalizing on a book with the word "maybe" in the title, and then now trying to claim a "see I told you so" posture since people actually fixed the problems. Man if sh#t had hit the fan that "maybe" woulda really saved your butt.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 22, 2011 - 04:30am PT
By "claim to be an expert" here you realize you mean "got you to admit already that the cartoon was wrong." I seem to be rather skilled in getting you to prove my points for me. Also I think it's funny that you think "stating an observation about something that happened" makes someone an expert. No wonder you are such an angry, disillusioned soul.

Never coded in cobalt but I have plenty of SQL, asp and Vb experience. Sold my Internet company last year. Lost interest after I started doing something meaningful with my life.

You dodged the H1N1 issue I see. It's true the vaccine didn't get cranked out in large enough amounts until late in the season (the strain was identified after the seasonal flu vaccine was in production and at least one of the first batches got spoiled if I remember correctly, or perhaps there was an ingredient problem), people were catching it well after the vaccine hit en masse. It's possible that without it very little extra damage would have been done, but by that logic we should never try to help anyone unless it's something we can see five miles down the road....and then of course when it DOES happen we can act all indignant that OUR LEADERS weren't doing something about it a long time ago.

Maybe your next book could be called "Things Might Not Happen: Preparation May Be a Waste of Your Time." You could pair it with one called "Sh#t May Be Happening Right Now: What You Should Have Prepared For Instead." Then you'd have the market nailed either way.

*edit*. Dear god you edited the crap out of that post. I'm not reading it seriously I'm going to bed. For reals. I'm super super cereal.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jul 22, 2011 - 08:54am PT
"In a tone that can only be called cheerleading, CNN tells its audience that the Institute of Medicine has made these recommendations to the secretary of Health and Human Services. “Historic” is the way Secretary Kathleen Sebelius described the report, adding that “we will release the Department’s recommendations of what additional preventive services for women should be covered without cost sharing very soon.”

Now, why, you may wonder, does the secretary of Health and Human Services get to decide whether to adopt the report’s recommendations? Well, under Obamacare, health care has been nationalized. Among the roughly 700 references in the law to “the Secretary shall” is one mandating that the Secretary shall decide which health-care plans are acceptable in America and which are not. If a plan does not comply with HHS mandates, companies and individuals who purchase their products will have to pay a fine. In other words, under Obamacare, the secretary of HHS decides who gets covered for what."

here's the full column: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/272460/it-should-all-be-free-mona-charen

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 22, 2011 - 09:33am PT
Seeing as you are down to nothing but character and ad hominem attacks, I accept your concession of the remainder of the points, skipt. Post some more well-thought out cartoons in the future. Thanks!


Bookworm: you're just now realizing that there are coverage minimums under the ACA? Really? Welcome to 2009.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 22, 2011 - 10:56am PT
Skip, what the F*** are you trying to pass off???

Cobalt? Cobalt????

WTF????

Have you ever touched a computer?

COBOL- COmmon Business-Oriented Language, most recent version released in 2002.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 22, 2011 - 11:30am PT
That is because you have not had a shovel in your hand! :)
I'm heading up to get on a horse in about an hour, and will see Shane this evening. Thank you for your service!

As to Y2K (not actually being a techie since the days of punch cards!), I think that it was an overblown crisis for consumers, I don't actually know about industry, I assume that all was averted through pre-emptive formatting (or something?). I assume, however, that if nothing had been done, some bad things would have happened. That might be wrong, though.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 22, 2011 - 12:11pm PT
It was very overblown and the fix was simple if it was even needed. But, it was so hyped that it literally had Boards and Govt. agencies scrambling to prove they would not be effected or at the very least had precautions set in place.

I suspect these things take on a life of their own, to justify themselves. This is true in gov't and private industry as well, I think.

I hope that you are able to break free next summer! I look forward to that, and jousting with you over the campfire. I'll raise a shovel of dirt in your honor.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 22, 2011 - 12:38pm PT
Paul Krugman, always worth reading.


The statement calls for sharp deficit reductions “in all countries except those under a programme” to take place “by 2013 at the latest.” Since those countries “under a programme” are being forced into drastic fiscal austerity, this amounts to a plan to have all of Europe slash spending at the same time. And there is nothing in the European data suggesting that the private sector will be ready to take up the slack in less than two years.

For those who know their 1930s history, this is all too familiar. If either of the current debt negotiations fails, we could be about to replay 1931, the global banking collapse that made the Great Depression great. But, if the negotiations succeed, we will be set to replay the great mistake of 1937: the premature turn to fiscal contraction that derailed economic recovery and ensured that the Depression would last until World War II finally provided the boost the economy needed.




http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/opinion/22krugman.html?_r=1&hp



Edit: Oops! Looks like Dr. F beat me to it.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 22, 2011 - 12:46pm PT
Priority number one: Attack The Source

In this case, since we lack the ability to comprehend and fear that what is being said is probably contrary to what we think we believe, we need to attack Paul Krugman.

How do we do this?

By saying Krugman is a "elitist" for being awarded the Nobel for Economics.

That way we divert attention away from what he is saying and seek to diminish him personally.

This technique is used by dumb fuks in 3rd grade playgrounds all across America.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 22, 2011 - 12:55pm PT
Greece is so yesterday. Italy is next and will make Greece look a jolly good time.
And for bonus points it may take the euro down with it.

Effing socialists just don't get it:
you can't have your cake and eat it too if you didn't pay for it.


http://www.economist.com/node/18958397?story_id=18958397
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 22, 2011 - 01:03pm PT
Dr F,
Are you on crack? All of Europe is socialist. Granted, northern Italians
work for a living and pay taxes so their southern layabout cousins can live
off of the dole.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 22, 2011 - 01:08pm PT
Dear Dr F,
Maybe your definition of socialism doesn't encompass a government with a bloated
bueaucracy which doesn't pay its bills but mine does. Go read the article.

Ever try and start a business in Europe? Fuggetaboutit! That's why there are
300,000 frenchmen in London. It takes a minimum of 6 months to start a business
in France, or anywhere in the EU for that matter. The Frenchman I listened
to said it took 3 days to get his paperwork in order in England.


You also must not have read the Economist article I posted a week or two ago
about Sweden's turn away from socialism and why it is now the tiger of the north.
It is heartening that if the Swedes get it then others might too but then
they have always been a bit more practical and honest.

http://www.economist.com/node/18805503?story_id=18805503
Jorroh

climber
Jul 22, 2011 - 01:26pm PT
"Maybe your definition of socialism"...why don't you give us yours. According to Fattys definition, every country in the world is socialist, so as he uses it its not a very useful term. What do you mean by it?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 22, 2011 - 01:30pm PT
Jorrah,
Didn't you read the rest of the sentence?
jstan

climber
Jul 22, 2011 - 01:44pm PT
"Effing socialists just don't get it:
you can't have your cake and eat it too if you didn't pay for it."

"socialist" is a politically loaded term. If you had used "We" instead we could have avoided the subsequent confusion. Conservative right wing people were behind buying two wars while paying for neither, nearly doubling the load taxpayers have to carry to pay for carrying that debt.

I would suggest our present debate about tax increases is entirely off the mark. When I make a mistake and get burdened by that mistake, I realize there is going to be pain and avoiding that pain will only make the pain worse. We made a huge mistake thinking debt was unimportant.

If we ever want to be well again, we have to take some bad medicine. Soon is better than later.
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