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WBraun
climber
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May 16, 2016 - 11:24am PT
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It is not cool to not know what you're talking about.
That's definitely aimed at YOU since you only ever know 1/3 of WTF you're talking about here.
Most all your posts are brainwashed rants with no credibility by you to stand on since you're labeled an anonymous coward .....
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WBraun
climber
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May 16, 2016 - 11:40am PT
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It's time you stepped up to the plate.
Otherwise you strikeout every time by default just yelling at the pitcher from the dugout that you can hit the ball .....
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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May 16, 2016 - 11:58am PT
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HFCS, you are confusing religion with culture and are generalizing a part to the whole. You aren't getting that most Muslims think their fundamentalist bretheren are batshit crazy f*#ks.
The KKK is a culture within Christianity.
Many Cambodian Buddhists are a Rohingya persecuting culture within Buddhism.
Fundamentalism = leave your brain at the door and accept to hate those who don't believe as your group
Then there is the secular ethics and compassion centric Buddhism of the Dalai Lama.
And, there is the deep heart compassion of Sufism.
And, there is the Christian ethics focus of most Christians.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 16, 2016 - 12:41pm PT
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With all due respect, Mf, are you blind?
What does that graph tell you?
What does 86% mean? To you?
"You aren't getting that most Muslims think their fundamentalist bretheren are batshit crazy f*#ks."
It's right there in the pew graphs.
One on this very page. Sheesh.
Or is it do you think 86% of Egyptian Muslims who believe death for
apostasy is... "moderate" to "enlightened"? not "fundamentalist"?
good lord.
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WBraun
climber
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May 16, 2016 - 03:17pm PT
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Yes the spirit soul (actual living entity) is the irreducible eternal unit of consciousness inhabiting the gross physical body.
When it leaves (modern sciences definition of so called death) the gross materialists falsely with their material eyes and senses see dissolution of life.
Thus using only their defective gross material senses they remain in illusion of life itself.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 16, 2016 - 03:22pm PT
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This gentleman was my best friend at Murray State in the mid 1960s. He referred to himself as a Zoroastrian, but he wasn't serious. The article mentions a "climber friend" in Iran - but that's really me in Murray, to the best of my knowledge. Mohammad received an MS in physics and taught school in Kentucky. I took him up to Dixon Springs in S. Illinois to learn about climbing.
Mohammad Shams
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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May 16, 2016 - 04:59pm PT
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This gentleman was my best friend at Murray State in the mid 1960s.
A wonderful connection and a nice synopsis of a life. Also a cautionary tale about a father's memory or veracity, or how accurately a close relative, in this case a son, remembers his father's stories. Or do we question jgill's version?
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 16, 2016 - 05:25pm PT
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Mohammad agreed to teach me soccer if I taught him rock climbing. He and his cousin organized the first soccer "league" at Murray State, and the first inter-squad scrimmage his cousin broke his leg. I stayed out of those games!
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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May 16, 2016 - 05:43pm PT
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It seems to me that there is a kind of conundrum when dealing with categories, classes, groups. We can't seem to help grouping "things," for if we didn't (it seems), we'd not get much of anything done. We categorize in most everything we do.
With people, the idea of grouping often seems like the wrong thing to do. Yet we come up with all sorts of generalized qualifications, hurdles, criteria that we apply to individuals who want to make some kind of achievement, whether it be a driver's license, passing a course, recognizing an illness, or joining an organization--without conducting detailed observations and analyses. Making individual judgments would seem to require resources that we don't have if we care about efficiencies, scope, and scale, and in large and complex societies, those concerns are significant. We cannot help but generalize about people, even if we believe that it leads to less than optimal outcomes.
P.S. Jgill, nice story.
P.P.S. HFCS: note the qualification in the graph. It refers to *those who believe that sharia should be the law of the land.* I wonder what percentage of the total populations that is.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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May 17, 2016 - 07:57am PT
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You're stll confusing culture with religion.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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May 17, 2016 - 08:06am PT
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Religion can be the glue that helps hold a culture together providing the "guidelines" for behavior. Probably, as human population centers grew, this increased the need for cooporation within the community. Religion helps bind a large community together such that you would tend to trust someone more then even if you did not know them because you have the same belief system.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 17, 2016 - 08:08am PT
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mf, you can call it "culture" or "education" or "psychology" or "shalala" if you like, I don't care. Most people I relate to recognize it as "religion."
but this "christian" woman's "culture" - referenced in above link - needs updating...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5auJ3Dg-zNs
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cintune
climber
Colorado School of Mimes
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May 17, 2016 - 08:50am PT
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It's almost like religion was some sort of... sacred cow... or something.
:-D
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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May 17, 2016 - 09:09am PT
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I'm here in this thread by mistake, that said I have only read a bit, not hit on any links &
can't be sure how much of a drift this is.
Until We stop letting the horde teach jihad to the children, in the USA funded Midrasass,
There will be no end to terrorism, to the attempt to take over the world to bring about Muslim domination.
If you teach boys to become martyrs before they have had a loving relationship, not
Just sex, they, the boys will grow up stunted and searching for an un-attainable goal.
A goal that was fed to them to promote hatred of western thought, to maintain control
over the women , and the population using fear violence and subdigation of human rights..
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 17, 2016 - 09:29am PT
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Cintune, good one, I think that IS what's going on here.
"religion" to me will always denote/connote/ point to/ suggest/ imply (a) god and theology and/or (b) supernatural belief
and insofar as one does not desire to communicate anything along these lines, why use the term when it is not necessary? when it is likely to be more problematic than helpful?
There are other ways to express one's interest or belief in "what matters" (e.g, morality; in addition to "what is") or else "ultimate concerns" (eg, end-of-life issues) without resorting to the r-word.
Clearly folks like PaulR and MF have an affection for the word that others like me do not share. What's more, purposely or intentionally leaving it behind (dropping it from one's vocabulary) could be symbolic, apart from all else, of another step up in 21st century cultural evolution at least for some.
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