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graniteclimber
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I was shot at with a handgun down there from a car becuase my friend 'fingered' them, weird stuff does happen from the locals you may not expect.
"fingered them"? Does this mean giving them the middle-finger? That could get you shot in parts of the U.S also.
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happiegrrrl
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GraniteClimber - Can you clarify what you meant by a "variation?" I read about the Pistacho, but my link refers to modern criminal activity, and the link is coming from an international aid organization. Stealing children is no myth.
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graniteclimber
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
U.S.: 4.8 intentional homicides per 100,000.
Peru: 10.3 intentional homicides per 100,000.
So there are more than twice as many intentional homicides in Peru then in the U.S. per capita. So much for Peru being as safe as the U.S.
If you're reading the thread about the murders in Mexico, you'll see posts claiming that Mexico is also just as safe as the U.S. That's not true because Mexico had 22.7 intentional homicides per 100,000, making it more dangerous than both the U.S and Peru.
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graniteclimber
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The world we live in is no stranger to one of the biggest reasons many of our children disappear without a trace. Many children are abducted and sold for body parts throughout the United States, Central America, South America and Europe.
Happie, I don't believe it. Without any evidence, this is just another crazy conspiracy theory. Also, that's not the web site of any reputable "international international aid organization." To me it just looks like advertisement for a private investigator. http://missingchildreninternational.org/about_us.html
Can you give me an example of a SINGLE child that was abducted in the United States (or any of the other countries listed) and sold for "body parts."
Most of us don't even think of children used as pawns for a big price. Young blonde girls are kidnapped and sold for prostitution. This happens mostly in Middle Eastern Countries. Many of them have been know throughout history to love and enjoy young white blonde girls. Korea and Japan are also part of this corruption, or perversion. There are men and women who love and enjoy being around these young children. It is possible that some young boys and girls are kidnapped for a bigger purpose, breeding.
Can you give me a a single example of a white blonde child kidnapped in the United States for the purpose of being used as a prostitute in a brothel in the Middle East or Korea or Japan?
This is our version of the Pishtaco myth.
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mechrist
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South of Heaven
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Next time you see that pretty young blond at the local tittie bar... look into the eyes of that young lady...
That would be missing the point. Besides, I prefer brunettes.
... and see if you can any longer tell yourself they are choosing to be there.
You could play the same game with 99% of the young ladies that work at fast food joints, only it wouldn't be nearly as fun.
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graniteclimber
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^^^^^^
And you're still here reading it and posting on it.
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happiegrrrl
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Happie, I don't believe it.
Then perhaps you could take a moment out of your day and peruse the links from the search queary I did, which was "are children kidnapped in SouthAmerica to be adopted by US people?"
The results are here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=are+children+kidnapped+in+SouthAmerica+to+be+adopted+by+US+people%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
One of the top links is a New York Times article about kidnapped children being put up as adoptables. However, the story is about the country of China, so I suppose that doesn't offer any proof that it could be happeneing in South America... even though SA babies are often a consideration for potential adoptive parents here in the US.
Also, that's not the web site of any reputable "international international aid organization." To me it just looks like advertisement for a private investigator.
Look at the footer, which indicates: "Missing Children International is a California Non Profit Organization 501(c)(3)"
I think it would be a conflict of interest to run a for-profit detective agency under the guise of a registered Not-For.
MeChrist - That is vile. But just more of what the Supertopo admin has tacitly agreed is acceptable content on their site. It still makes you vermin to post it, though.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Whatever happie. I have a couple friends that were strippers. They made A FUKING KILLING and used it as a stepping stone for their lives/careers. From what I can tell, they live happy lives with very happy hubbies.
Of course sex trafficking is horrible... but that doesn't mean every pair of tits on the intardweb or every pastie at a strip club belongs to someone who has been taken advantage of. And it CERTAINLY doesn't mean anyone who enjoys looking at them supports sex trafficing... any more than someone who smokes pot supports the Taliban's heroin trade.
Get over it... or get out there and do something that actually makes a difference. Bitching about tits on the internet is the new pathetic.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Keep the Motherf*#king magic alive!XOXOX
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
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Happie,
Look at the footer, which indicates: "Missing Children International is a California Non Profit Organization 501(c)(3)"
So what, do you know how easy it is to form a 501(c)(3)organization?
I think it would be a conflict of interest to run a for-profit detective agency under the guise of a registered Not-For.
You can own a business and also a 501(c)(3) and spray about the business on the 501(c)(3) web site. The business is legally separate. http://melendezandassociates.com/about.html Read that and decide whether that is someone you trust.
The "About Us" section of the MSI site just sprays about the detective. http://missingchildreninternational.org/about_us.html
Some questions for you, Happie.
How many employees does MSI have?
What are its gross receipts?
They claim to be "international" - what international operations do they have?
How many children has MSI helped find? MSI's home page claims that MSI is "staffed with expert detectives that can assist you and the public in helping to find lost, missing children and runaway teens. If you are missing a loved one and need assistance, please phone us at any time 24 hours a day for a free, confidential discussion of how we may be able to help."
Have they found even one? How many "expert detectives" are on their staff?
I searched for MSI's Form 990 but the Foundation Center database only has 2003 and 2002 and shows that their gross receipts are not normally more than $25,000 per year. At this level, they are not required to file returns. How many reputable international aid organizations do you know that have a budget of less than $25,000 per year?
http://990finder.foundationcenter.org/990results.aspx?990_type=&fn=missing+children+international&st=CA&zp=&ei=&fy=&action=Find
The bottom line is that you were fooled by their web site, Happie.
Edit: The MSI web site claims " Melendez made the press for solving the highly reported 1997 murder of young Denise Huber, an Orange County child whose killer was captured and remains behind bars." But this is not supported by this news article from the time. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19940718&id=vN9WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ousDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5512,4478897 You can argue over what "solving" means, but there's nothing indicating that the police found her though this efforts.
Edit: MeChrist - That is vile. But just more of what the Supertopo admin has tacitly agreed is acceptable content on their site. It still makes you vermin to post it, though.
I didn't think so, because I think that in the U.S. at least, most strippers are making a lot more money and are lot happier about their jobs then people working at McDonalds. Also, they work in strip joints because they want to, not because someone is making them. Why don't you talk to some, Happie?
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graniteclimber
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Keep the Motherf*#king magic alive!XOXOX
Robert L. Chalfant, Esq., your posts used to have content worth reading. Now all you post is crap. If you posted something worthwhile recently, I haven't read it.
You killed whatever magic you used to have.
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happiegrrrl
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My post was originally intended SIMPLY to say that PERHAPS it made sense the villagers were freaked out because they thought the travelers could be there to steal children.
It was a pretty simply point, and there is no need for me to be required to step and style to your demands to provide "proof" of your tangential point.
Ignore the fact that children are kidnapped throughput the world, or that women are forced into prostitution, because you wouldn't dare take the time to be concerned it may be truem if you must. I can see how life would be much easier that way for.
As for what I "do" - you wouldn't be able to handle "what I do" and what I have done; I am fairly certain of that.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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My post was originally intended SIMPLY to say that PERHAPS it made sense the villagers were freaked out because they thought the travelers could be there to steal children.
And you had a legitimate point... then you got distracted by boobies. Happens to the best of us.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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My post was originally intended SIMPLY to say that PERHAPS it made sense the villagers were freaked out because they thought the travelers could be there to steal children.
It was a pretty simply point, and there is no need for me to be required to step and style to your demands to provide "proof" of your tangential point.
It was a simple point, and a good point, and I agreed with it!
I simply pointed out that this was similar to the phishtaco myth, and you insisted that it was no "myth" and started posting links from MSI and claiming this proved your point. That, I do not agree with.
Edit: Shut up Locker. I usually like you and like what you say. But I think what you did on the other thread is DESPICABLE. Happie is WAY out of your league now.
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happiegrrrl
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GraniteClimber - I did ask for clarification as to why you thought this was a myth -I wouldn't say that was huffy.
I guess I was surprised at your response that you "didn't buy it" when I have to admit I thought people pretty much knew that children are kidnapped, though body parts was not something I had considered before. Frankly, when I know that children are abducted for use in child pornography, when I know that women are coerced into prostitution, it didn't surprise me.
Perhaps I have seen more than some people and it colors my worldview, but I can't ignore what I have seen and what I know, if only out of honor for those who have suffered and died at the hands of others(there's that damned word "honor" being abused again...right.)
Let's not fight. This forum has seen too much fighting. And thank you for supporting me in that post. I appreciate that.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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"You killed whatever magic you used to have."
"Magic" is for old folks re-living their past. All I have is this incredibly stupid thread speculating as to what happened in Peru.
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graniteclimber
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The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Yes, the "huffy" characterization was rude and not called for. I edited my post to delete it.
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graniteclimber
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"You killed whatever magic you used to have."
"Magic" is for old folks re-living their past. All I have is this incredibly stupid thread speculating as to what happened in Peru.
No, Chalfant, your posts used to have "magic" for me, at least more than they do now. You've changed. Or I have. But I think it's you. Look at your posts of the last 30 days and compare to several years ago.
If you think this thread is so incredibly stupid, then why are you still here reading it?
I thought it was funny when you posted upstream " Anyone else want to pull an opinion out of their ass" and then started pulling opinions out of your ass.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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I get the sense that there is still the strong traditional division of labor in this area.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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atchalfalfa, I still love you... but only because you appear to be a panda.
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