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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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And being defenseless is a much better situation to be in.
You may not understand our thinking.
We definitely don't understand yours.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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You are correct, I don't understand how you live your life in fear of others with guns, yet insist on having unfettered access to them. Or how you can justify having fewer regulations to own a tool designed to kill than to own a car. Or how you can continue to insist that gun regulations will not help the situation, when most (all?) of the guns used in recent mass shootings were acquired legally and stored irresponsibly... and NOT bought off the streets by criminals.
And you will never understand that NOBODY I know has ever had to pull a gun, except my brother-in-law who is a cop... who also believes gun laws are absurdly lax and getting a CCW after taking a 2 hour class is FUKING RETARDED.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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I remember that video from a few years ago. So they pointed out that if a guy comes into a room shooting and you're sitting right in front of him wearing gloves with your concealed firearm secured under a baggy shirt that you're likely to be shot.
Yup. Pretty much. Does that surprise anyone? It's suppose to hammer home that "regular people" are hopeless. Rest assured that the police will be there in 15 minutes to put pieces of your skull in a bag. Typical MSM bullsh#t.
All a concealed pistol offers a trained individual is a chance in the right situation. It doesn't mean all situations will be right.
Hence the enormous amount of ongoing training I try to stress is important to be effective 'if' you choose to draw your weapon. What you wear, how you holster your weapon, and where you sit in a public place are all choices you make. You'll be functioning at 30% capacity or less under REAL stress so those choices and that training in some friendly competition are key.
It gives sheep a small chance to kill wolves. I'll take that over no chance anyday. But as we can see here, not all sheep make that choice. They have their own reasons. And that's just fine. Really.
Never had to kill a wolf myself. Hope I never run into one. I hope that if I did I'd be able to make a difference. I hope I wouldn't run away if I had a clear target and background, but was just scared shitless. I don't really know.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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They all had gloves. And you can't see the gun when they are sitting. Only when they stand and try to get it. And they knew they would be tested that day, just not that soon.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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You are correct, I don't understand how you live your life in fear of others with guns, yet insist on having unfettered access to them.
So if someone breaks into my house with a knife or baseball bat, i'm not scared? Should I bring out my Louisville Slugger too?
Or how you can justify having fewer regulations to own a tool designed to kill than to own a car.
There needs to be stronger regulations. I've never once stated, that there should be fewer. IN FACT, I have stated that there should be stricter laws, but HIPPA restricts information to the DMV, so people with mental health problems can register a gun.
Or how you can continue to insist that gun regulation will not help the situation, when most (all?) of the guns used in recent mass shootings were acquired legally and stored irresponsibly... and NOT bought off the streets by criminals.
Adam (Newtown) shot his mother 4 times in the face because she failed to properly secure her legally owner firearms from her mentally unstable child.
James (Aurora) begged and begged for mental help. Was institutionalized, and was a high threat to others, but nobody would help him. (Revert back to HIPPA)
And you will never understand that NOBODY I know has ever had to pull a gun, except my brother-in-law who is a cop... who also believes gun laws are absurdly easy and getting a CCW after taking a 2 hour class is FUKING RETARDED.
Well, in CA it's a 16 hour class, but it's still pretty easy.
Most cops, don't like others having guns, or authority.
Most cops can't automatically appear in a class room where a gunman is plugging 6 year olds with .223.
You're very lucky to know so many few people who've not had to pull guns.
Preparedness is useless after tragedy.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Hence the enormous amount of ongoing training I try to stress...
Try to stress it all you want. Fact remains a dipshit like me can get a CCW after taking a 2 hour class. No renewals, no mental evaluations, no insurance, no requirements on how I store them. THAT JUST AIN'T RIGHT.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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So blame guns?
Not the system?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Yep, Cragmen, all showing that one may be able to end a mass shooting, after multiple people are dead and wounded. Awesome. And no assault weapons needed.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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jesus christ.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Get off the "blame inanimate objects" crap. Nobody has ever tried to pin a murder on an inanimate object. That is absurd.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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If guns don't kill people, then guns don't make you safe.
For those who want trite one-liners.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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you're clearly a f*cking idiot.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Let's ban all guns. Law abiding citizens turn them in. Even ones who vowed they never would. Now there are no registered hand guns in America.
K now what?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Can't have it both ways. If gun's don't kill people, only people kill people, then guns don't save people either, people save themselves.
See how stupid the 'guns don't kill people' saying is?
I didn't think so.
People use guns to kill and defend.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Wait, LOLOLOL. Chicago, perfect example.
Not everyone is a 60 year old, has-been 5.7 trad climber, who lives in the bushes.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Let's ban all guns
Keep making stuff up.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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What do you suggest happens then?
You seem to be full of ideas. (Not really.)
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Let's ban all guns. Law abiding citizens turn them in.
Nobody ever said that. But how about AT LEAST as much regulation as operating a car?
Tell me, where do criminals get their guns? Where do they ultimately come from? And remember, the "favorite" gun used in crimes is a S&W... NOT some foreign bullshit counter fit.
You don't think regulations would help with this:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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... Ya.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Hence the enormous amount of ongoing training I try to stress...
Try to stress it all you want. Fact remains a dipshit like me can get a CCW after taking a 2 hour class. No renewals, no mental evaluations, no insurance. THAT JUST AIN'T RIGHT.
You're not a dipshit because you see some of the requirements.
Education is the key here, not more laws. You can't enforce common sense but you CAN educate people.
I agree fully with that real training is essential to effectively carry concealed. Too often what I see are people who buy small handguns out of fear. They think after a couple of boxes of ammo at the range that they're fine and 'trained'.
It's a lifestyle choice. Like climbing, it's something that you need to practice quite a bit and actually enjoy doing. That takes time, money, and commitment. It ain't rocket science.
I've talked a lot of women out of getting their carry license and a handful of guys. It's not for everyone.
BTW, women are the best novice shots hands down. In my experience they also operate better under stress..
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