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WBraun
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Oct 13, 2012 - 01:04am PT
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In this modern age people learn meditation from Wiki.
Nice and cheap just read some stuff and your in and know everything.
Mind all fixed up and done and remains stupid.
In the old days you go to Master. Knock on door.
Master opens door and scowls "Go away useless poseur".
Real student never leaves the front door.
Every day Master comes to the door and scowls at the student and slams the door in students face.
After many days Master leaves door open .......
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Oct 13, 2012 - 01:08am PT
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eeyonkee - here ya go bro! check this debate out...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
edit: you may find Nassim Taleb particularly interesting, but they (all six) are, imo!
btw, eeyonkee + phantom x chimes in, cool! all we need is mr. badazz himself rick p & we got the nucleus of the PWMB/PWMM ... KILLER! who woulda thought, way back when, that ya'll cud meet here simultaneously while living in such diverse places? three cheers for one of the better aspects of current tech, eh?
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Borut
climber
french
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Oct 13, 2012 - 01:20am PT
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I'm not an atheist and not a theist, nawmean?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Oct 13, 2012 - 01:40am PT
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Meditation;
Was first prescribed by God to Isaac to deal with his troubles. Way back in Genesis.
Then to Joshua. "This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall
"meditate" in it day and night"
Jus Ohmmm'in
BB
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Oct 13, 2012 - 01:55am PT
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Gdavis wrote
I fall into the habit of surpressing thoughts and compartmentalizing my feelings (often a trick that people who aren't really spiritual use to blindly follow the religion their parents shat on them.
2nd step in becoming an atheist.
1st step denial.
Jus Observe'in
BB
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Oct 13, 2012 - 02:02am PT
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Borut
climber
french
Oct 12, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
I'm not an atheist and not a theist, nawmean?
NEITHER!!???
What are U a Sport Climber?
Jus Ask'in
BB
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Oct 13, 2012 - 02:04am PT
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So why does it bother you that some folks don't want your magic sky zombie?
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Borut
climber
french
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Oct 13, 2012 - 02:10am PT
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BB, me definitely climber (and French).
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Oct 13, 2012 - 02:23am PT
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Honestly;
I chimed in when I noticed so many wrong presumptions concerning the Bible and my best friend Jesus. I thought we could maturely have a discussion on these matters. But now I realize climbers are just human. And belittle even their own. Over something they love. Climbing.
Jus Sad'in
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Oct 13, 2012 - 02:25am PT
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Barut,
"We We"
BB
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Borut
climber
french
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Oct 13, 2012 - 02:37am PT
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kicking
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MikeL
climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
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Oct 13, 2012 - 10:24am PT
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Now think of the "great" theistic thinkers. Do they collectively converge on a world view? I think not.
Hmmmmm, I think I'll disagree here. I think there is a common thread that runs through their talk and actions.
Do I learn anything? No. Just a bunch of meaningless jargon and questionable logic.
If you haven't learned anything in the threads, it might be (as you said) that there was nothing new for you to hear. But there are scores of reasons why people don't learn other than there being nothing being taught. Learning is a very active participative process. You must be engaged for anything to happen. You surely can not simply sit in a classroom and expect it to happen to you. The same applies in any conversation. A person must work as hard (if not harder) listening as one must talking. As I tell my students, if you bring no questions to class, you have nothing to learn.
Again, I understand that there may not have been anything being taught.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 13, 2012 - 11:41am PT
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Off for some active meditation, trailrunning in the desert. One with all, no god needed.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 13, 2012 - 11:48am PT
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no god needed.
Impossible to do.
It's never ever happened ever nor will it ever happen ......
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 13, 2012 - 02:02pm PT
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It's never ever happened ever nor will it ever happen
 No really… no need for a man made god. You are fooling yourself as much as you say other fool themselves…
There is no god
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 13, 2012 - 02:16pm PT
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Blue said:
Honestly;
I chimed in when I noticed so many wrong presumptions concerning the Bible and my best friend Jesus. I thought we could maturely have a discussion on these matters
Blu, you have conclusively proved that you cannot have a "mature" discussion.
Case in point: I twice asked you a very simple question, how old is the earth?
You promised you would not answer using the bible creation story.
And then, when you finally did attempt an answer, just to shut me up I think, then you "immaturely" quoted the Bible in a long paragraph as your "answer" to my very very simple question.
Want to try it again? And this time do NOT use the bible to answer, how old is the earth?
two words, Blue "xxxxxxxx years"
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Oct 13, 2012 - 04:51pm PT
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Norton; I think it's older than that!
I guess my explanation of the universe being eternal wasn't satisfactory to you?
Yes it is Bible backed but it hasn't been wrong to me yet! I just read an article about a hot young gun (mr. Burden? Bordoun?) has studied Einstein's original text in German. And with the help of computers and the theory of quantum. Is showing the possibility ofEinstein's theories to be wrong! And what if they are Norton? What if Einstein is all together wrong? What are you going to do then? Fall like the stack of cards you've propped up underneath you!
Jus Ask'in
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 13, 2012 - 05:14pm PT
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So Blue, AGAIN you will NOT answer the simple question.
And I know why you won't.
Because you want so very badly to believe that every single word in the Bible is the word of god, so is HAS to be the truth.
And god said in the bible that the earth is 6000 years old and was "created" by god in only six days, because she was SO tired she had to rest on the seventh day.
But if you say the earth is six days old, then you know that you have zero credibility, that you deny and call a lie to lifetimes of rigorous scientific testing.
And IF you do say the CORRECT answer that the earth is 4.5 billion years old or so, then you are in a "trap" because you are then calling god and bible wrong
And you will NOT do that, and so you continue to duck and weave, shuck and jive, and avoid answering the simple question.
And you have the nerve to question the "maturity" of others posting here!
When all this time, you are showing your own immaturity by refusing to state loud and clear the "true" and "proven" age of our earth.
Now go dance around some other stuff, and end each opinion by saying you are "just asking" or "just shucking and jiving", or whatever
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Oct 13, 2012 - 07:11pm PT
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Norton
Boy;for as smart as you're making yourself out to be. You're proving to me that your ability to convey what you read is poor at best. NO WHERE in my Bible does it say" the earth is 6000 years old and was built in six days. Relative to our time. If it does show me Mr. scholar!
Let me ask you this; if God did create the heavens and the earth on the first day. And the sun on the fourth day. How do you define a day? Else where in Genesis god mocks time. And says one of our days is like 1000 years to Him. Now you can try and take this one sentence literally. Or if you tie it to the rest of the paragraph and the rest of the Bible. God is merely disclosing that time is irrellavent to Him. You're in a huge crowd that stumble over one line in the Bible. Every line in the Bible is true as long as it is in respect with the ENTIRE Bible.
How about this you tell me how old the earth is. And in the next 10 to 20 years when science proves you wrong. You tell me how sorry you are for being a closed minded Trilobite.
Jus Defend'in
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