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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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May 16, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
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A proposal to build a gondola in Yosemite was rejected, in about 1970. To Glacier Point Apron.
90% or more of Yosemite is a wilderness, and managed as such. Even the Valley proper is mostly quite natural, notwithstanding millions of visitors each year. It's parallel to the frontcountry at the Chief, the campground and parking areas.
Will you next be arguing that it's possible to be a little bit pregnant?
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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May 16, 2012 - 08:12pm PT
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I believe it's somewhere around a half of one percent.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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May 16, 2012 - 08:14pm PT
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The Losing Covenant
The Lamest Covenant
The Leaky Covenant
The Loopholed Covenant
This is fun I could go all day!
The reason I bring up poo (didn't mention pee but since you bring it up) is because way, way up thread it mentions how the district will not be involved with getting water up or down from there, fresh or waste. It is entirely up to the developers. Just an example of one of the many things involving this development that there should be a plan for that should be available to us to see before the decision to go forward & build this joke of a project is made.
There are many reasons this gondola isnt a good idea & i dont think those opposed are changing their minds as to why they are against it but actually being constantly given more new reasons to be against it which seems to pale in comparison for all the new information being released as to why it should be built. We know nothing for certain regarding the details of the business plan. Only "coulds" & "potentials".
There are so many reasons this thing should not be that it is impossible to decide which one to pick!
Once our crooked cash grabbing government sees how easy it is to remove "protected" public land for private profit (even just "lending" it out) from what is allegedly the highest level that it can be protected in BC -while all the citizens cheer them on- the sky is the limit. They can add 1000000 acres of protected parks, now that they know protected don't mean poo it won't really matter & the free for all at our expense can continue. I know land has been removed from parks before & it probably will be again but like it, believe it, or not, this will set a precadent. & as i mentioned I'm not a gondola hater, rich people hater, or old people hater but just a corruption hater & this poo stinks of corruption to the high heavens.
& I also hate people that don't tip! Well not hate, but strongly believe that they will have karmic repercussions for their ignorance.
Unless of course the service sucked.
Or the food.
Or the server hit on your date.
But those are the only excuses!!
And I strongly agree that poo & pee have been managed before, but since this is entirely the responsibility of the developer it would be good to know their plans as well as the effects it may have, who knows maybe they plan on running a poo tube straight down their land, errrrrr i mean easement under the cables to the base-like the one off blind channel road that dumps all of valleycliffes poo into the channel. Oh that's how we manage poo!
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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May 16, 2012 - 08:27pm PT
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^^^^
has nothing to do with the point, nice try
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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May 16, 2012 - 10:00pm PT
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Hahaha no I got it
TLC= Terry Lakes Covenant!
Edit- Terry Lakes ummmmm, nevermind
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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May 16, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
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If you put TLC and the gov't under the same umbrella, I'd say the Malemute was traded for the gondola easement; give or take a few hundred. Pretty simple.
I also realize someone like Scrubber posted this a thousand posts ago.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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May 17, 2012 - 12:27pm PT
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I'm not quite convinced Yosemite is a shining example of non-development when compared to Squamish and the Chief area, M.H..
Yosemite may be lacking a gondola but they've got every other money-grab in place, including admission at the gate, mate.
The Chief has free parking and one campground for five or ten bucks a head.
Besides, it's America; they've got the Army Corps of Engineers,(or whatever it's called); they'll build beautiful paved roads at 10,000 feet. They also have a stonger connection to their automobile, or at least they did when gas was 35 cents a gallon, so why park and ride when you can drive the pavement with your cooler in the trunk and the a/c on full blast?
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you drive a cadillac to (a parking lot beside) Glacier Point Apron, on a nice paved road at no greater than 5% grade?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 17, 2012 - 12:48pm PT
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I've been on the fence since the beginning, neither for nor against, but I think I'm going to go very loudly against. That's because Squamish doesn't need a gondola as badly as I now do. DNR has once again cut off access to the road system leading up to Zeke's Wall, so I want the gondola down here.
I'm not a spoilsport though, and if I can't have it here, then you guys can still have it at Squamish.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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May 19, 2012 - 11:52am PT
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That's a long time sitting on the fence; it must be painful. At least you're sitting beside Jim so you have some company.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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May 19, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
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Is that Loki?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 22, 2012 - 01:17am PT
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No - Loki is orange, and much furrier.
It would not surprise me if the government snuck through the legislation last Friday, before the long weekend. The usual tactic, hoping it will draw less attention. Perhaps I'll check in the morning. It isn't all that important, in that the Rubicon is only crossed when/if a park use permit is issued, and we understand that negotiations in that regard continue.
There may be some inteesting news in a few days regarding the process, and whether it has complied with the government's own policy, and been adequate. You'll have to be content with mentally speculating about it for a few days - but then, some seem to like that stuff. Easier than critical thinking.
Yes, Yosemite has all sorts of money grabs/developments, but virtually all go back to the 1960s, and most much further back. There really hasn't been a lot of truly new development since then. A bit like comparing what is proposed at Squamish with what happened on Seymoure, Grouse, and Cypress Bowl, decades ago. A different world.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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May 22, 2012 - 01:59am PT
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Haha Anders you crack me up! More ink in the piqué this week for FOTSC. As well as a few poorly written letters supporting the project. The question I have for you though Anders: is it still mentally speculating if you are posting your thoughts on supertoprope? Or is it verbally speculating? Or physically?
Sign the petition if u haven't already, as mentioned already it is not an anti gondola petition, only a petition to ensure that the government is following its own rules. Something we would be silly not to sign!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/squamishchief
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saa
climber
not much of a
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May 22, 2012 - 04:27pm PT
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Mighty hiker,
Did you récrive m'y mighty donation from Chamonix. ?
(trying to béat thé Dictatorial spellchecker. Appppology!
Lové
S
Léo wheere r u
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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May 22, 2012 - 06:37pm PT
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Half a dozen letters on the gondola project in today's Vancouver Sun. All but one are supportive of the project. I have no idea if that reflects the % of support among all letters they received.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 22, 2012 - 06:48pm PT
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It sort of suggests a concerted effort by the would-be developers and their homies, kind of like the meeting in Britannia. The Sun has been sent several letters by FOSC and its supporters, but published only one that I'm aware of. Whether that reflects some editorial policy isn't for me to say.
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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May 22, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
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Its probably your language. they always edit out the most outrageous insinuations and ridicule I direct at John Weston. I'm sure they look at everything you write and just huck in in the garbage.
Actually, if I remember correctly, Anders has had a fair number of letters-to-the-editor published in the Sun over the last few years, so it's unlikely to be his language or writing style.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 24, 2012 - 09:29pm PT
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Numbers as of today:
E-Petition (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/squamishchief/);
 303 have signed the petition, including some couples, so probably 310 or 315 total
40 who provide names, and five anonymous (45 of the total), currently live in the Squamish area, and a few more did in the past.
Many also provide comments
Click on "signatures" to see names and comments.
FaceBook
111 have "liked" the FOSC page
146 have "liked" the proponents page (established a year or so ago)
Paper
There are paper petitions out in Squamish and Vancouver. We have 80 confirmed signatures, and there are probably more.
Considering that our FaceBook page was set up in early April, and the e-petition and paper petitions in early May, we're doing OK. Please sign the petition, and "friend" us, asap!
Squamish Climbing
71% of the 70 or so who've signed an (old) petition on the Squamis h Climbing website are entirely opposed to the gondola, and other have reservations: http://squamishclimbing.com/squamish_climbing_bb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3406
None of this is conclusive, and no doubt there's some overlap. Still, it indicates that there is considerable public opposition to the proposal, in Squamish and elsewhere.
Elders' Council
The Elders Council for Parks in B.C. should be issuing its report on the process, in context of government policy and legal requirements, on Friday. http://elderscouncilforparks.org/
Some other possible names:
If You Build It, They Won't Come
A Gondola Too Far
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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May 24, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
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More than 50% of Squamishes population is under 19.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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May 24, 2012 - 09:55pm PT
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I guess I did all that research for nothing. I passed on my results last month. It was approx. 90-95% for. And that was a pretty fair and wide spectrum.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 24, 2012 - 10:36pm PT
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Hamish, one of the FOSC committee has done much the same as you. She's lived in Squamish for 30+ years, and is retired. The people in her circles, quite different from yours perhaps, are for the most part opposed to or ambivalent about the proposal.
Such anecdotal things don't prove anything - but signatures on a petition do. FOSC has a respectable and growing number of signatures, well over 400 allowing for duplicates. Fact.
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