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WBraun
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Port
Just for you so you can "get it".
I made post number 1078 and I said 1078 supertopo sheeple.
Now doesn't that include me as I've also have a few more in this dumb ass thread.
You must become much more observant ....
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Interesting Washington Post article where a CIA unit actually confesses to making at least one Fake Bin Laden Video
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.html
FWIW
During planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA's Iraq Operations Group kicked around a number of ideas for discrediting Saddam Hussein in the eyes of his people.
One was to create a video purporting to show the Iraqi dictator having sex with a teenage boy, according to two former CIA officials familiar with the project.
“It would look like it was taken by a hidden camera,” said one of the former officials. “Very grainy, like it was a secret videotaping of a sex session.”
The idea was to then “flood Iraq with the videos,” the former official said.
Another idea was to interrupt Iraqi television programming with a fake special news bulletin. An actor playing Hussein would announce that he was stepping down in favor of his (much-reviled) son Uday.
“I’m sure you will throw your support behind His Excellency Uday,” the fake Hussein would intone.
**The spy agency’s Office of Technical Services collaborated on the ideas, which also included inserting fake “crawls” -- messages at the bottom of the screen -- into Iraqi newscasts.
The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said.**
Eventually, “things ground to a halt,” the other former officer said, because no one could come to agreement on the projects.
They also faced strong opposition from James Pavitt, then head of the agency’s Operations Division, and his deputy, Hugh Turner, who “kept throwing darts at it.”
The ideas were patently ridiculous, said the other former agency officer.
“They came from people whose careers were spent in Latin America or East Asia” and didn’t understand the cultural nuances of the region.
“Saddam playing with boys would have no resonance in the Middle East -- nobody cares,” agreed a third former CIA official with extensive experience in the region. “Trying to mount such a campaign would show a total misunderstanding of the target. We always mistake our own taboos as universal when, in fact, they are just our taboos.”
A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, declined to confirm the accounts, or deny them.
"While I can't confirm these accounts, if these ideas were ever floated by anyone at any time, they clearly didn't go anywhere," the official said.
The reality, the former officials said, was that the agency really didn’t have enough money and expertise to carry out the projects.
“The military took them over,” said one. “They had assets in psy-war down at Ft. Bragg,” at the army’s special warfare center.
“The agency got rid of most of its non-paramilitary covert action in the 1980s, after Bill Casey died,” said the third former official. “He was a big fan of covert action, but neither Bob Gates, who succeeded him as acting [CIA] director, or any after him, wanted anything to do with it.”
“There was a flurry of activity during the first Gulf War,” the official added, “but [Gen. Norman] Schwarzkopf made it clear he had to approve everything, and he basically approved nothing, except, reluctantly at first, surrender leaflets. By the late '90s there were very few people left who knew anything about covert action or how to do it. “
The leaflets also had “unintended consequences,” the former official added.
“In the perverted logic of Iraq, the Iraqi soldiers decided they had to have a leaflet to surrender, so they fought us to get one."
According to histories of the 2003 invasion, the single most effective “information warfare” project, which originated in the Pentagon, was to send faxes and e-mails to Iraqi unit commanders as the fighting began, telling them their situation was hopeless, to round up their tanks, artillery and men, and go home.
Many did.
Even thought the link below is Alex Jones, it contains some info regarding fake Bin Laden tapes that's worth considering and refers to the Post thing above
http://www.prisonplanet.com/former-cia-officials-admit-to-faking-bin-laden-video.html
Which includes something I forgot and which nobody actually claims anymore
The latest revelations also shed light on another past Bin Laden release - a tape in which he ludicrously declared himself in league with Saddam Hussein in the weeks before the invasion of Iraq.
One of these pictures in the real Bin Laden and the other is Bin Laden as pictured on the confessing 9-11 video. Could those noses really be the same guy?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Karl that's the funniest stuff I've read today at least, thanks for posting.
Not sure what relevance if any it has to do with anything (I suppose just that US has at least considered faking crazy stuff), but it's comedy gold.
Our tax dollars at work . . .
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Another puzzle piece from the time of Saddam's capture (which some felt was faked cause pictures showed a date tree having fruit out of season among other reasons) when Former Secretary of State Madeline Albright suggested that Bush Captured Bin Laden already and was waiting for the politically correct time to announce it.
Me, I know nothing. Too much smoke and mirrors around
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-12/18/content_291414.htm
Would be pretty funny if Obama doesn't release photos simply to let the right bubble up with conspiracy theories regarding Bin Laden (Kinda like I'm speculating with) after seeing how the public doesn't buy them and it makes the conspiracists look nutty.
I mean, you might as well do whatever you want because if it's outrageous enough, nobody will believe it!
Peace
Karl
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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I've listened to the interviews with Alex Jones now. Read the article. I find Dr. Steven Pieczenik very credible. Checked out his website. He is very well connected and an unbelieviebly brave man. Like he said, he has nothing to lose. We either fix this country now or we won't have one. Stop the lies and the deception. This massive psyops on the American people has to stop.
http://www.stevepieczenik.com/home.html
Dr. Steve Pieczenik is a critically acclaimed author of psycho-political thrillers and the co-creator of the New York Times best-selling "Tom Clancy's Op-Center" and "Tom Clancy's Net Force" book series. He is also one of the world's most experienced international crisis managers and hostage negotiators. His novels are based on his twenty years experience in resolving international crises for four U.S. administrations.
Dr. Pieczenik trained in Psychiatry at Harvard and has both an M.D. from Cornell University Medical College and a Ph.D. in International Relations from M.I.T. He was the first psychiatrist ever to receive a PhD. focusing on international relations. He served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker.
During his career as a senior State Department official, Dr. Pieczenik utilized his unique abilities and expertise to develop strategies and tactics that were instrumental in resolving major conflicts in Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, Europe and the United States.
Dr. Pieczenik was the principal International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator under Secretaries Kissinger and Vance. During this time he developed conflict resolution techniques that were instrumental in saving over five hundred hostages in different terrorist episodes, including the Hanafi Moslem Seizure in Washington, DC, the TWA Croatian Hijacking, the Aldo Moro Kidnapping, the JRA Hijacking, the PLO Hijacking, and many other incidents involving terrorists such as Idi Amin, Muammar Quaddafi, Carlos, FARC, Abu Nidal and Saddam Hussein.
Dr. Pieczenik helped develop negotiation strategies for major U.S.- Soviet arms control summits under the Reagan administration. He was also involved in advising senior officials on important psycho-political dynamics and conflict mediation strategies for President Carter's successful Camp David Peace Conference. In 1991, Dr. Pieczenik was a chief architect of the Cambodian Peace Conference in Paris. He is currently an advisor to the Department of Defense.
Dr. Pieczenik has started several successful companies, employing his methodologies in various industries, including investment banking, publishing and television/film.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html
Alex talks with Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, the U.S. government insider who said last week that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job. Pieczenik was used by Tom Clancy to base his character Jack Ryan from Patriot Games on. Alex also talks with author, researcher and radio host Webster Tarpley. Alex continues coverage of the Osama bin Laden assassination hoax and the release of photographs that will purport to show Bin Laden's bullet-riddled corpse. He also covers other news and takes your calls.
http://www.infowars.com/infowars.asx
I would challenge everyone else on ST to read the articles, listen to the complete interviews and check into Dr. Steven Pieczenik and know who he is and what he has done and what he is all about.
He is a complete insider blowing the whistle. It has to stop. He told us OBL was dead in 2001 and put on ice to be brought out at the most opportune time. Well, here we are . . . the timing couldn't be better.
“if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”
2 Chronicles 7:14
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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No offense, but your ability to assess credibility is seriously in question.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Port,
You are soooooo far behind you think you're in front, but really everyone is lapping you.
Sad really.
Try catching up.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Like he said, he has nothing to lose.
exactly. He has much to gain though. He's an author trying to sell books.
and Alex Jones is a nut job.
Any other brilliant sources?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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If it weren't for Klimmer, we might never have known that bin Laden is a body double for Obama, that his killing was arranged by the Illumaniti and Masons, that he was shot in 2001 by a lone gunman from a grassy knoll in Area 51, and that his body is being kept in an ark on the far side of the Moon. Only three days after it became public, too, and without a single fact to support his brilliant hypothesis.
With any luck, Glenn will cut himself on Occam's Razor sometime soon, too. Not fatally, but enough that he stops posting hypotheses that have no factual basis.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Not the first time Osama was in Pakistan
Check out the CBS news report that OBL was in the hospital in Pakistan one day before 9-11
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/28/eveningnews/main325887.shtml
"...Pakistan intelligence sources tell CBS News that bin Laden was spirited into a military hospital in Rawalpindi for kidney dialysis treatment.
"On that night," said a medical worker who wanted her identity protected, "they moved out all the regular staff in the urology department and sent in a secret team to replace them." She said it was treatment for a very special person and "the special team was obviously up to no good."
"They military had him surrounded," said a hospital employee who also wanted his identity masked, "and I saw the mysterious patient helped out of a car. Since that time," he said, "I have seen many pictures of the man. He is the man we know as Osama bin Laden. I also heard two army officers talking to each other. They were saying that Osama bin Laden had to be watched carefully and looked after."
....It was Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf who said in public what many suspected: that bin Laden suffers from kidney disease, saying he thinks bin Laden may be near death.
His evidence — watching the most recent video, showing a pale and haggard bin Laden, his left hand never moving. Bush administration officials admit they don't know if bin Laden is sick or even dead.
"With respect to the issue of Osama bin Laden's health, I just am...don't have any knowledge," said Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
The U.S. has no way of knowing who in Pakistan's military or intelligence supported the Taliban or Osama bin Lade, maybe up to the night before Sept. 11 by arranging dialysis to keep him alive. So the U.S. may not know if those same people might help him again — perhaps to freedom. "
For those who like this stuff, this link has the transcript of a French Newspaper's article detailing how Bin Laden used the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001 (when he was wanted for other crimes) and the CIA visited him there.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html
Fwiw
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/osamabinladen/a/Osama-Bin-Laden-Jokes.htm
"The news of bin Laden's death interrupted this week's episode of 'Celebrity Apprentice.' Which begs the question, how do we kill bin Laden again next Sunday?" –Conan O'Brien
"The Republicans are so happy about bin Laden they've granted President Obama full citizenship." –David Letterman
"There's already been some trouble for Osama bin Laden in the afterlife. There was a mix up and he was greeted by 72 vegans." –David Letterman
"After all the talk about caves, bin Laden was hiding in a million-dollar mansion in Pakistan. The CIA became suspicious when they learned there was a million-dollar mansion in Pakistan." –Jimmy Kimmel
"Osama bin Laden's death has been in the news all day. Leftish stations are going, 'President Obama saves the world.' Stations on the right are going, 'Obama kills fellow Muslim.'" –Craig Ferguson
"How about those Navy Seals. We're getting our money's worth there. They broke into Osama bin Laden's compound with 12-foot walls topped by barbed wire, and fired a warning shot into his head." –David Letterman
"The hot new drink around the country is the bin Laden. It's a Colt 45, and a shot that goes right to your head." –Jay Leno
"Apparently, members of Al Qaeda are online slamming the U.S. I don't understand why they're so upset. Everyone in Al Qaeda just got a promotion." –Craig Ferguson
"He's up to 2,000 friends on Shot In The Facebook." –Jimmy Kimmel
"President Obama gave the order for Navy SEALs to kill bin Laden. When President Bush heard about it, he was really upset, saying, 'I could have used seals?'" –Conan O'Brien
"And so, Osama Bin Laden got his first bath in almost ten years. This could the best shark week ever." –Jimmy Kimmel
"Finding bin Laden was like finding a needle in a country that swore it didn’t have needles." –Stephen Colbert
"President Obama announced that Osama bin Laden has been killed in Pakistan. That's right, bin Laden is dead — just like the Republicans' chances in 2012." –Jimmy Fallon
"It looks like President Obama has a new campaign slogan: 'Yes I Did.'" –Jay Leno
"Osama bin Laden was apparently shot twice in the face. It looks like Dick Cheney may have been involved." –Jay Leno
"Osama bin Laden is dead, which means the No. 1 threat to America is now the KFC Double Down." –Conan O'Brien
"Bin Laden lived in this compound in Pakistan with his wives for six years. So he did suffer." –David Letterman
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Port,
You'll have to listen to the interview. Context.
Our Country is at the brink of going over the edge to complete fascism and becoming a complete police state.
He has nothing to lose by coming forward and telling the truth and exposing the lies and all that he knows, because we are about to lose our Country. Without our Nation with a Constitution and Bill of Rights, and our Freedoms that we as a people of a once Great Nation have fought and died for, we have nothing.
The enemy is not without but within.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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After getting nailed, Osama made his way to the pearly gates. There, he is greeted by George Washington.
"How dare you attack the nation I helped conceive!" yells Mr. Washington, slapping Osama in the face. Patrick Henry comes up from behind: "You wanted to end the Americans' liberty, so they gave you death!" Henry punches Osama on the nose. James Madison comes up next, and says, "This is why I allowed the Federal government to provide for the common defense!" He drops a large weight on Osama's knee.
Osama is subject to similar beatings from John Randolph of Roanoke, James Monroe and 65 other 18th-century American revolutionaries. As he writhes on the ground, Thomas Jefferson picks him up to hurl him back toward the gate where he is to be judged.
As Osama awaits his journey to his final very hot destination, he screams, "This is not what I was promised!"
An angel replies: "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you. What did you think I said?"
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Pentagon officials now believe they were unable to locate Osama Bin Laden because until recently he was in a place in which to hide where:
1) it is easy to get in if you have the money;
2) no one will recognize or remember you;
3) no one will realize that you have disappeared;
4) no one keeps any records of your comings and goings; and
5) you have no obligations or responsibilities.
The analysts are still puzzled, however, as to how Bin Laden found out about the Texas Air National Guard.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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If it weren't for Klimmer, we might never have known that bin Laden is a body double for Obama, that his killing was arranged by the Illumaniti and Masons, that he was shot in 2001 by a lone gunman from a grassy knoll in Area 51, and that his body is being kept in an ark on the far side of the Moon. Only three days after it became public, too, and without a single fact to support his brilliant hypothesis.
MH,
You only prove your are completely dishonest, but then that's old news. We knew that already.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oooh! Dissed by Klimmer - I'm cut to the quiche. Although I oughtn't be surprised that he has difficulty recognizing sarcasm, and has to resort to ad hominem remarks. Off to the Total Perspective Vortex with the fool!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Too funny Mighty Hikey...
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