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Klimmer
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San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 28, 2010 - 11:38am PT
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You are right K. It is truly amazing what you see in that video.
So Mike Bolte,
Tell us what do YOU see in those videos with the NASA Tether project? It is a real phenomenon, both the NASA Misssion Control techs and the Astronauts mention it. And keep in mind the phenomenon often passes/travels behind Tether. They show up using UV imaging cameras. They travel fast. And they strobe the EM waves they emit.
So what are they Mike?
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dirtbag
climber
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May 28, 2010 - 12:19pm PT
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My head hurts.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 28, 2010 - 12:59pm PT
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Mike Bolte,
Why do you keep vanishing your posts here on this topic? Are you so worried that someone will see you discussing or argueing against UFOs/Aliens and it will be intellectually embarassing or that somehow it will threaten your career?
Like I pointed out before even Stephen Hawkings can manage to talk about it and even warn us, and now we learn that Carl Sagan knew UFOs/Aliens are a real phenomenon.
What are you so scared of? The truth?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 28, 2010 - 01:01pm PT
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Pate,
I only see immaturity on your part. That is all I see.
I feel sorry for you because you can not interact any other way.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 28, 2010 - 03:53pm PT
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The Tether Space Shuttle experiment is well documented in a Discovery DVD on Magnetism, that I show my Physics students during the Magnetism Unit.
They show the experiment at the beginning of the film and discuss how the long "Tether" a wire cable sweeping through the Earth's Magnetic field induces Electric Current (EM induction: Magnetism induces Electricity, and Electricity induces Magnetism). Yes, it generated enough current (amps) to burn Tether and it drifted off.
In the film they only show visble light footage of Tether, but obviuosly using a UV sensitive imaging system lots more was happening.
This company designs and sells UV imaging systems. Look at the FAQ section for some interesting applications that they keep getting requests for!
http://www.uvcorder.com/index.html
http://www.uvcorder.com/products/faq/index.html
Very interesting. Everyone should be using Visible/UV camcorders, and we would probably capture more great footage and evidence.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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May 28, 2010 - 05:36pm PT
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Is that your skinny ass Pate? Nice picture man....how long did it take to make your helmet there????
You are smart to cover your face....I got some photoshops ready for you butthole.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 28, 2010 - 06:57pm PT
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Rockjox - so you agree with Klimmer that the tether experiment was plagued by aliens (a simple yes or no would suffice)?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 28, 2010 - 07:18pm PT
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Rockjox - so you agree with Klimmer that the tether experiment was plagued by aliens (a simple yes or no would suffice)?
HJ,
Get it right. UFOs.
That is exactly what is imaged in the NASA Astronaut shot UV video from the tether experiment. They are Unidentified Flying Objects. And there are many of them as can be clearly seen.
What exactly they are is not clear, but these UFOs certainly seem intelligent due to their behavior.
So, HJ how about your opinion on what they are?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 28, 2010 - 07:36pm PT
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I don't know what they are, but they aren't 'flying' and their is nothing intelligent in there movement - maybe I'd go as far as UO's. It looks to me to be something that's come off or out of the shuttle at the time of the tether deployment. Not much different from John Glenn's fascination with his urine would be my guess.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2010 - 04:59am PT
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HJ,
Yea rrriiiiigggghhhttttt, ice, urine, debri that clearly move in fast straight line patterns, accelerating and deccelerating, with the strobing UV light they reflect or emit (rememeber that they show in UV video film footage and not in visisble) and they are clearly most often passing behind Tether that is many miles away.
Yea rrriiiiigggghhhtttt, somehow it is common ice, urine, or debri from the Space Shuttle. Somehow all those common ejecta from the Space Shuttle race toward Tether and display all this behavior. How do all of these common ejecta from the Space Shuttle miles away (video says 100 nautical miles) show up so big and pass behind Tether?
Man those must be some big pieces of ice, massive amounts of urine or poop, or giant massive bags of space trash. Yea, that is critical thinking.
The term UFOs is just fine. Everyone knows what that means, and it has been in common historical use for a very longtime now. Most people (who have had a course in physics) would know you don't actually "fly" in space, but propel through the void of space via Newton's 3rd Law: Action and Reaction, and Newton's 1st Law: Inertia, or perhaps propel through space via antigravity, altering time and space (speculation).
SPACE ANOMALY: STS-75 "Tether Incident"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMe4TD6svH8
Edit: Note how the UFOs often go behind the tether, so they are even a little further than tether. They must be massive in size.
More on Tether: "nasa tether ufo incident"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gh_OD2-gQY&feature=related
Pate,
You outed yourself (Lol).
Gee, someone has too much time on their hands.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 29, 2010 - 05:06am PT
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Wow, if that's your interpretation of the video then you're in far worse shape than I imagined. Pretty sad. I have higher hopes for rockjox.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 29, 2010 - 12:55pm PT
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Yo Klim!
Watched the History Channel last night. I had no idea so many astronauts have 'come out' and said NASA has engaged in a long-standing coverup. No matter what your stance is on UFO's I for one am not about to denigrate these men who risked their lives repeatedly and have now risked their reputations. These are brave and honorable men. Who among us would have the temerity to call them liars to their faces?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2010 - 02:05pm PT
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Reilly,
Cool. Sorry I missed it. But I've seen several of the programs. I'll have to be more vigalent and watch it.
Recently pre-ordered the entire series: Ancient Aliens, but the entire season will not be available until August (uuugggghhh) . . .
Ancient Aliens: The Complete Season 1 DVD Set
http://shop.history.com/detail.php?p=263607&v=history&fbst=48
By the way, I agree with you :-))
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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May 29, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
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it is really sad that the UFOologists would set the argument up in terms of right vs. wrong... and truth tellers vs. liars.
I don't think the astronauts are lying, I just don't think the interpretation of what they saw was correct. People like Klimmer want to prove there are aliens and extraterrestrial UFOs, they use "common sense" to make the argument that we couldn't possibly explain "the behavior" of these things, and jump to the conclusion that the "only" explanation is the one they are pushing... we are visited by UFOs.
This extraordinary claim is not backed up by any hard evidence. However, Klimmer et al. claim that the hard evidence is conveniently kept from us, every bit of it gobbled up by some international conspiracy to prevent us from knowing what is causing these observations.
As for the impossibility of long distance space travel, well the argument goes that we don't know everything, and that these beings are so advanced they've figured it out... we can't possibly imagine what it is they are doing it, but since they are here, they are doing it.... which is a circular argument, of course.
You are fooling yourselves into a particular interpretation of a lot of poorly reported, observations which do not positively support or refute any particular interpretation.
It is truly the symptom of the coming dark-ages that the scientific origins of our technological sophistication are forgotten and we immediately jump to explain these phenomena as "angles and demons" because the more scientific explanations violate our "common sense." It is the belief in the primacy of the human esthetic, that the entire universe acts as we act... and therefore, anything that seems at odds with that cannot be true.
"I see it with my own eyes, and therefore it must be true." Down that path is a 1000 years of grief and backwardness. We've done it before, it seems we'll do it again.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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May 29, 2010 - 02:52pm PT
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if you are referring to me Rok, I have never said they didn't see something...
...perhaps in you haste to dismiss any criticism you overlooked that.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2010 - 02:53pm PT
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Rokjox,
If you watch both Tether videos closely, in one of them they zoom in and slow it down and sure enough some of those "thingies" (UFOs) are turning with large radius circles (acceleration by changing direction) as they go by Tether. So some are turning, by not many. Most are going straight.
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Ed,
At least you have come along way. You are admitting they (we) are seeing something. Yes, we can all agree on that. What exactly it is . . . is in disbute. True.
We are seeing something and the "something" we are seeing doesn't seem to fit anything that man can do, or that we have publically acknowledged creating, via "Black Op Project" or otherwise.
So what is it? And it should be investigated openly and immediately. Why the appearance of disinterest on our Government and Military's part? Why the disinterest in the Scientific Community? Is the Science Community worried about loosing funding if they investigate it? Are they worrried about ridicule? I think so. That was Carl Sagan's worry and why he didn't come out and truly say what he thought. He even went out of his way to debunk it. Sorry that isn't honest science.
Me thinks their publically appeared disinterest professes too much.
And you know what, many in Government, Military, and even NASA technicians and Astronauts agree. The guv is covering-up and has been for 60 + years.
I'm not telling you this Ed, they are. They are the ones who have come out and said this and openly in public. This is not my first person testimony, it is their's. I'm just relating what they have said and directing toward the first person accounts. I trust them. I believe them. They are putting their lives and careers on the line to tell the truth. I'm going to listen to them.
There are plenty of evidences. And yes, they do confiscate and cover it up, what they can cover it up and when they can control it. Some things are beyond their control. They also refuse to discuss it openly. Many other countries are coming forward. Why not the USA? Some "White-hats" do disclose at times what they can, and when they can, that are within our government, military, and NASA. Some people have a conscience and are good hearted people. I thank GOD for people like that.
This hiding of knowledge and covering-up is massive fraud toward all the citizens of Earth. It is fraud in science, it is fraud in government, and it is fraud in military toward all the citizens of the US of A, no matter how you slice it.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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May 29, 2010 - 03:35pm PT
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This hiding of knowledge and covering-up is massive fraud toward all the citizens of Earth. It is fraud in science, it is fraud in government, and it is fraud in military toward all the citizens of the US of A, no matter how you slice it.
except the "slice" that is the real possibility (overwhelming) that they aren't alien intelligence, but rather some complicated natural phenomena we don't yet understand.
If that is what is happening, then you have no grounds to accuse anyone of "fraud."
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2010 - 03:47pm PT
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"This hiding of knowledge and covering-up is massive fraud toward all the citizens of Earth. It is fraud in science, it is fraud in government, and it is fraud in military toward all the citizens of the US of A, no matter how you slice it."
except the "slice" that is the real possibility (overwhelming) that they aren't alien intelligence, but rather some complicated natural phenomena we don't yet understand.
If that is what is happening, then you have no grounds to accuse anyone of "fraud."
Yes, IF it is a "natural phenomenon" that we do not yet understand, then yes, it would not be fraud.
However, then you have to discount all the testiomonies from people that are in a place to know the truth of the matter from NASA technicians, NASA Astronauts, Military personel and Officers, and Government politicians whom have been coming out in large numbers (400+ in The Disclosure Project alone) and they are all agreeing with one another, our Government and many others have agreed to cover-up and hide the truth of the UFO/Alien phenomenon.
Well, that dark, smokey backroom, unethical "deal" and immoral agreement is breaking down. And I say good.
Let the truth be known. Let the light in. It's liberating. We could use the technology to clean up our World and see a better day.
And yes, we should heed Stephen Hawking's warning. I agree with him there for sure. Don't trust ET, but use their technology. And everyone here at ST I'm sure who has been following this dicussion already knows what I think who they really are. I would not trust them one little bit. However, they are brilliantly smart. So take the keys to the Saucer and take the technology, but kick them in the butt. Any creature that hides, stalks, invades our privacy, captures innocent victims, abducts and does unspeakable horrific things to people (basically rapes them) are certainly not to be trusted. That is behavior that is completely contrary to the truth.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 29, 2010 - 10:46pm PT
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Crop circles? And aliens in the space shuttle? Really rockjox?
Wow, further conversation is now pretty much officially pointless...
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2010 - 11:10pm PT
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Message to all Naysayers,
If you remember one thing out of all this discussion, Please remember to stay away from the Probe and don't trust any of them!
;-)
Chuck Missler - Return Of The Nephilim
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3473883928564642733#
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