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Mcschiz
Sport climber
Mt. Shasta, California
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Jan 27, 2014 - 05:01pm PT
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It has rained/snowed for a total of 12 hours in the past 6 months in the Shasta area
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Jan 27, 2014 - 05:06pm PT
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neebee, the drought and the groundwater pumping don't seem to change earthquake probabilities, although no one knows for certain.
but ground subsidence from all the pumping dramatically increases the range of areas exposed to major floods, and in some cases (i.e. increasing pressure on dikes/levees) makes flooding more likely.
the subsidence study shocked a lot of folks, including the study authors. way worse than anyone anticipated. and some of that damage is like small, local earthquake damage.
worth reading
http://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2013/5142/
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 27, 2014 - 05:36pm PT
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hey there say, klk... thank you for the share...
i will go read it...
i know getting curious doesn't help fix things, but i just try to
understand... :)
say, i do NOT know IF THIS is 'reliable' etc... but it was interesting to
look at...
someone 'more in the know' can check it out...
it lists flood and drought info... etc...
as a sort of study...
http://geochange.er.usgs.gov/sw/impacts/hydrology/state_fd/cawater1.html
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jan 27, 2014 - 05:37pm PT
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On the Central Coast - we are beginning to hear the first rumblings of discontent aimed at the vineyards.
A lot of the residential properties east of Paso Robles and in the Santa Ynez area rely on private wells - some of which have quit producing in the past few months. The grumblings about the "damn retirees with their boutique vineyards sucking up the water" is becoming a louder refrain in both areas.
Locally, we are starting to see more horses offered up for quick sale on Craigslist along with small herds of goats, sheep and cattle. A buddy of mine just culled his sheep stock from 60 down to 20 - mainly holding on to the ewes still feeding their lambs - but with a bale of alfalfa running 28 bucks when the normal price was 13 - he's thinking he may have to cut the whole herd pretty soon.
What is interesting given the lack of drowning rains is the EXPLOSION of gopher and ground squirrel intrusion. The little SOBs have devastated yards and gardens - even ate 6 of 8 rose bushes in my yard.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jan 27, 2014 - 06:28pm PT
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Earlier today Patrick Sawyer queried:
"And, what about Oregon, Washington, Idaho, BC, Nevada, Arizona and such… how much are they being affected by the (super?) high off the West Coast?"
Although the ridge may break down temporarily later this week, from what I've read on the National Weather Service sites, it is forecast to build back up.
Check out this from the Climate Prediction Center:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jan 27, 2014 - 06:59pm PT
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Regarding where alot of our water goes, from the Natural Resources Defense Council:
Agriculture now uses approximately 80 percent of California's developed water supply, but produces less than 2.5 percent of California's income.
Alfalfa, the biggest water user of any California crop, soaks up almost a quarter of the state's irrigation water. Yet alfalfa -- harvested mostly for hay to feed dairy livestock -- is a low-value crop that accounts for only 4 percent of state farming revenues. An alfalfa farm using 240 acre feet of water generates $60,000 in sales, while a semiconductor plant using the same amount of water generates 5,000 times that amount, or $300 million. (And while such a farm could function with as few as two workers, the semiconductor plant would employ 2,000.)
In short, California devotes 20 percent of its developed water supply to a crop that generates less than one-tenth of one percent of the state's economy. Given the degraded state of California's rivers and growing demands for water for higher value agricultural crops and urban areas, is this an efficient use of a precious resource?
Alfalfa covers more of California's land than any other kind of produce. About 26% is grown in the state's parched southern deserts, and despite the existence of demonstrated techniques for achieving high crop yields with water-saving methods -- such as drip irrigation and bedded alfalfa
most California growers use inefficient irrigation techniques such as flooding.
Excessive water use isn't the only cost associated with alfalfa crops. Seventy percent of the state's alfalfa feeds California's largest agricultural industry: its dairy cows. Dairy farms in the Central Valley alone produce as much waste as a city of 21 million; illegal manure waste from dairies is believed to threaten the drinking water of 65 percent of Californians. In total, 7,000 gallons of water go into keeping a single cow alive for a single day, yielding a daily return of about 30 cents. Wasteful subsidies worsen this problem by increasing dairy demand for alfalfa.
Although alfalfa does yield some environmental benefits -- maintaining soil health, providing some wildlife habitat and preventing erosion through its extensive root systems -- current production levels are unsustainable, contributing to the destruction of ecosystems all over the state.
Even a modest reduction in production would result in tremendous water savings.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Jan 27, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
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yeah, megadairies and almonds. two of the worst things to happen to california in the last 20 years.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 27, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
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Sactown has been raised twice, second raise did not go all the way to old town, so you see a rise when driving up Broadway near the projects, graveyard is higher than the projects, got to save the rich dead people,
fire has torched that town a couple of times, tough life that place had,
you can dig down and find old buildings in some places,
lived on top of an old dump, use to dig for antique bottles,
rice farmers should be alright, shasta will give them water,
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 27, 2014 - 09:26pm PT
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hey there say, randishi... i remembered that 70's drought too, and i wanted to find it, which i did, after a bit of looking... and as timid shared, the rains came...
i think i was up visiting, too, for the one in the 90's, as, it seemed worse, than the 70's was...
i remember as kids, my mom was always mentioning about the dryness and fire danger levels, etc... (when we were on hikes) ...
thanks for all the share, and the land use/water use stuff that
i never knew/or know about...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 27, 2014 - 09:33pm PT
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There are probably a billion people in the world that have never peed into a basin of clean water like we do several times a day.
The Romans were shiting and pissing in a stream of clean water 2000+ years ago.
Know where the aqueducts flushed?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jan 27, 2014 - 09:38pm PT
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Uphill ? I give up...
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 28, 2014 - 03:26pm PT
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The dogs of drought won't capitulate. One world-
Where is new world order 2?
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Jan 28, 2014 - 03:32pm PT
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Hey eKat!
Do you know what parts of the UpperK they are on? Tribs?
We are dry down here, how is it is in the n. Flathead? Hopefully this storm frikkin storms! I had an April conditions ski tour in the B-Roots over the weekend.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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For perspective, California would have to experience heavy rain and snowfall every other day from now until May to get the state back to its average annual precipitation totals, according to the Department of Water Resources.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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I think you are looking at this all wrong. The glass is half full, not half empty.
Someone should take this opportunity to do a winter traverse of the Sierra Nevada without skis.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nothing to worry about here.
The local water company says they have plenty for this year, and probably next year, too.
All of our water comes from the local ( San Bernardino ) mountains.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Nothing to worry about here.
The local water company says they have plenty for this year, and probably next year, too.
yeah, the MWD and DWP have done good jobs of management. it's also an easier region for managers becuase most of the ag land has gone out of production. residential uses so much less water than ag.
the problem areas in SoCal are mostly either the remaining ag areas, or newer residential areas upstream with junior rights.
you are going to see problems in parts of sb and rivco, though, as ag users up the groundwater pumping-- there's going to be subsidence issues and wells going dry.
but MWD is in comparatively good shape.
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John M
climber
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All of our water comes from the local ( San Bernardino ) mountains.
where are you Chaz, because I thought you got your water from the MWD, and they get most of their water from the california aqueduct. from the Colorado river, and from the owens river Doesn't mean that you aren't fine. I don't know that. I don't' know how much water the local dams contain. I was just curious about the above statement.
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