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Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 19, 2011 - 10:38am PT
Wow, it's easy to get way behind on this thread. A few days ago Comrade F posted this from Robert Reich:
Yet the case has not been made. Perhaps that’s because, even under the Democrats, the interests of average people have not been sufficiently attended to.

Bingo.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 19, 2011 - 11:33am PT
fatty said
And Krugman is a liar, he does not count the bad debt on Fannie and Freddies books, entities which are owned by the US government.

Maybe you should let their shareholders know that?
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jul 19, 2011 - 11:35am PT
Polling a two way race between Bachmann and Romney among GOP primary voters:

Bachmann 44%
Romney 40%

This might be Goldwater all over again. If Say-Rah and Rickles Perry don't get in the race, Bachmann walks away with the nomination. Doesn't help Romney that his backing is more concentrated (bigger donations from fewer donors) because they will/have maxed their donations early in the process.
apogee

climber
Jul 19, 2011 - 11:53am PT
Man, hedge, that 'double amnesia' piece you posted is dead-on.

Of course, the main reason Repugs get away with that kind of hypocrisy is because the majority of the general public is amnesiac, and are easily distracted by the latest shiny thing.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 19, 2011 - 12:25pm PT
Fatty said
Democrat Steve Wynn just ripped into Obama, tore him apart. "This administration is a wet blanket on the economy". "This president continually praises income redistribution".

Funny, he doesn't seem to be having much problem making shitpiles of money. Get me a piece of that wet blanket.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 19, 2011 - 02:17pm PT
Fatty said
Had a wonderful meeting with General Bodinger, Ret. Chief of Israeli Air Force. Plans are made, it's only the timing now.


I'm assuming this was reposted from 2005. Or was it 2003? I can never tell all your ME posts are basically the same.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 19, 2011 - 03:19pm PT
He probably doesn't like maple flavoured doughnuts, either. FatTrad would never make it as a cop in Canada, even an imaginary one.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2011 - 03:25pm PT
Mine

john
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2011 - 03:25pm PT
All Mine!

Who'd have thunk it?

John

P.S.

Sorry to indulge in numerology after a fashion, but we seem to be a bit short of policy discussions of late.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2011 - 03:52pm PT
So far we have 15001 reasons why Republicans are wrong about everything.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 19, 2011 - 04:19pm PT
In celebration of Wynn's rant against Obama, the market rallied over 200 points today. Bad for business Obama!
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 19, 2011 - 04:30pm PT
More loot into corporate treasuries, instead of investing in the US by opening plants, buying machinery and supplies, and hiring people.

I wonder what FatTrad will do with all his ill-gotten loot from current market fluctuations? Probably shorting the US dollar, buying euros, yen and remnimbi, and (of course) shorting News Corp. Will he hire another secretary? A CPA? Donate to the YCA? Stay tuned!

Speaking of which, both the head and second in command of London's metropolitan police have now resigned, as a result of Murdoch-gate. The dirty digger and his son are testifying before Parliament today, and the prime minister has returned early from travel to answer in question period. How far will the contagion spread? What did Rupert know, and when did he know it? Is this the end for Fox News?

Not to mention that that chief "mole" at News of the World, who'd spilled the beans on their dirty, illegal tactics, died suddenly yesterday, aged 47. How far will the damage go? How many more will be charged, or forced to resign? When will News Corp.'s "independent" directors do their job, or resign?

And when will people stop buying Murdoch's crappy tabloids, and watching his distorted infotainment?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jul 19, 2011 - 05:11pm PT
the liberal definition of leadership: don't do anything, even in a time of "crisis"; criticize every plan offered, but don't offer one of your own; say what you know the people want to hear ("we need to cut spending..."), but don't offer any specific examples of what MIGHT be cut

White House spokesman Jay Carney had this to say: "Leadership is not proposing a plan for the sake of having it voted up or down and likely voted down..."

i guess this is an excellent example of "leading from behind"

winston smith is evil
apogee

climber
Jul 19, 2011 - 05:12pm PT
Hey, bookworm- which of the GOP offerings do you like these days?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 19, 2011 - 08:50pm PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/20/us/politics/20obama.html?hp

Obama to Back Repeal of Law Restricting Marriage
By HELENE COOPER
Published: July 19, 2011

WASHINGTON — President Obama will endorse a bill to repeal the law that limits the legal definition of marriage to a union between a man and a woman, the White House said Tuesday, taking another step in support of gay rights.

Jay Carney, the White House press secretary, said Mr. Obama was taking the additional step away from the Defense of Marriage Act — which the administration said earlier this year it would no longer defend in court — in order to “uphold the principle that the federal government should not deny gay and lesbian couples the same rights and legal protections as straight couples.”

If the measure passes, it would make same-sex couples eligible for certain federal benefits that have previously been available only to heterosexual married couples.

It's about damn time. Also, this sets up the fight for 2012 and ensures the new generation of voters will want little to do with the closed mindedness presented by a GOP platform that caters to the hard right.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 19, 2011 - 09:27pm PT
Really? You found it necessary to post this in both the threads? You that desperate?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 19, 2011 - 10:11pm PT
fattrad..ask him about the german submarines..and the french flotilla of one boat...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 19, 2011 - 11:04pm PT
The real question is only if they manage to completely destroy the Republic on their way out.


Why The Democratic Party Is Doomed
Jul. 18 2011 - 6:37 pm

The Democratic Party, as we have known it for the past 70 years, is now in its last days.

Yes, the House Republicans may raise the debt ceiling for a mix of spending cuts and revenue raisers. Yes, Barack Obama may win the 2012 presidential contest. Yes, bureaucrats and judges will continue to impose new and costly regulations on the economy.

But it doesn’t matter. The long-term trends are almost all bad news for the left wing of the party.

This week’s fight over raising the federal debt limit exposes a key weakness in the warfare-welfare state that has bestowed power onto the Democratic Party: Without an ever-growing share of the economy, it dies. Every vital element of the Democrats’ coalition — unions, government workers, government contractors, “entitlement” consumers — requires constant increases in payments, grants and consulting contracts. Without those payments, they don’t sign checks to re-elect Democrats.

Like it or not, Obama is not the new FDR, but the new Gorbachev: a man forced to preside over the demise of a political system he desperately wants to save.

Democrat champions in the punditocracy confidently predict that the future of the world’s oldest political party is bright. But in fact, the coalition that is the modern Democratic Party is doomed. Every pillar upholding its heavy roof is crumbling.

The Democratic and Republican parties are structurally different.

The Democrats are a coalition, forged in the New Deal, of diverse interests that do not get along well. Imagine the deer-hunting union member sitting down with the vegetarian college professor and the lesbian lawyer and you will begin to see the trouble party leaders have holding the horde together. So far, money and government preferences have been essential. It is largely a party of unions, government workers and retirees, “green” industries, “entitlement” payees, professors, teachers and social-change activists — all of whom require government payments in one form or another. The only major element of the Democratic base that doesn’t receive government payments is the professional class (lawyers, engineers, stock brokers and so on). These high-earners amount to less than 5% of the population and are not reliable Democrat donors.

On the other hand, the Republicans are a consensus party. Activists and leaders fight like hell — leading Democrats to periodically predict the Republicans’ demise — only to settle on some principle that is then adopted by the majority. Tax cuts and preemptive invasions were once battlegrounds, now they are cornerstones. Significantly, very few of its supporters receive government payments. Yes, defense firms, farmers and small-business owners get contracts, subsidies or loans. Yet the overwhelming majority of Republicans pay more than they receive. They want to pay less, not get more.

The rest
http://blogs.forbes.com/richardminiter/2011/07/18/why-the-democratic-party-is-doomed/
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
Bachman?
Can you believe that shiz?
I mean seriously...

Can anybody come up with a more dangerous time in American history?
I can't!

She has more executive experience than Obama. Are you saying that Obama is actually governing better than what Bachman proposes?

Obama is a poser. A plant. A community organizer who spent his life in academia and community organizing. Never the real world, never with real consequences.

He's a poser and a theorist. Not a realist. His sh#t has FAILED!!!! And now he wants to tax people and corporations for his failed policy!!!!!

Loser!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 19, 2011 - 11:16pm PT
We are at the point where there's no money left to buy votes with.

The end for them is near.

Either with a return to the founding principles of the Republic or in a Grecian style collapse and mob violence, but the economic realities will determine the timing of when that end comes.

It's not that far away.
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