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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:18pm PT
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Norton wrote: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public health care option.
And along with majority of Americans who do too...you think the passage of health care reform with one would be a no brainier.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:30pm PT
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"But, judging by your comment Corniss, we can see that you,
like the official leader of the Republican Party, Rush Limbaugh,publicly want Obama to "fail"."
Well, shizam. Did it take you this long to gasp that the far right wing is little more than a thinly-disguised, white-supremacy group? Look at the demographic of those protesters. Getting the picture now . . .
JL
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:40pm PT
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Everything fits when it sits on a Ritz! Please!
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shut up and pull
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:50pm PT
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Gotta love it. The Dems own the House and the Senate and the Presidency -- and they can't pass Cap and Tax, or Obamacare.
Its like Christmas every day watching them fail in their efforts to socialize this country.
And now two young kid journalists show that Obama's ACORN is the criminal enterprise we have been saying it is for years. Where is the mainstream media? SILENT.
Oh man was it funny watching the total media blackout of the massive anti-Obama TEA party in DC. Heads. In. Sand.
Wake up libs -- you are not the only ones who can organize.
Oh -- did you notice that the TEA partiers look normal, unlike the unshaven dirtbags that inhabit the left-wing protests.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:53pm PT
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"Normal"?
You mean all white?
Yeah, we noticed.
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shut up and pull
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:54pm PT
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Remember Barack Obama's famous speech on race, back in March of 2008? Obama had spent 20 years listening to the sermons of Jeremiah Wright, full of venomous anti-Americanism and attacks on "white America." Yet when the reverend's rants were revealed to the public, Obama tried to convince us that he just happened to be missing from the pews on any well-documented Sunday, and that the Jeremiah Wright we saw and heard was not the Jeremiah Wright he knew. It was a giant, implausible lie. Yet the speech was smoothly delivered and well-turned, perfectly balanced to seem to empathize both with the grievances of blacks and with the concerns of whites. So most people seemed to believe it.
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shut up and pull
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:55pm PT
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This is what Obama's supposed gift for rhetoric amounts to: the ability to tell a smoothly polished bald-faced lie. And that was the whole essence of Obama's big health-care speech. It was a pack of lies from beginning to end, and if we're going to finally see through this flim-flam artist once and for all-as more and more people are beginning to do-then we had better identify them one at a time.
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shut up and pull
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:58pm PT
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The key to Obama's speeches is that he counts on you not to be listening carefully and not to compare what he says from one moment to the next. So while he vows to be the "final" president to reform health-care-indicating that his approach is a sweeping, once-and-for-all overhaul, he then goes on to tell you that everyone else is a radical, but he's just in favor of cautious, incremental tinkering.
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shut up and pull
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:59pm PT
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Does it take a thousand pages of legislation to not "disrupt one-sixth of our economy"? The reality is that the proposals he advocates would create a vast new bureaucracy from scratch, with sweeping powers to regulate private health-insurance plans-eventually including employer-provided plans-and forcing individual health-insurance plans to be offered on a government-controlled "exchange." It is a plan for the comprehensive restructuring of the health-insurance industry-but Obama wants you to think that he's not really doing anything. Which makes you realize that he doesn't want to you notice or think too hard about what he is doing.
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shut up and pull
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 08:00pm PT
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Obama attacks the "bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost. The best example is the claim, made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. Such a charge would be laughable if it weren't so cynical and irresponsible. It is a lie, plain and simple."
But what is Obama's most plausible recommendation for cutting Medicare spending? "[A]n independent commission of doctors and medical experts charged with identifying more waste in the years ahead." How will they identify waste? By deciding which procedures are "cost effective" and should be covered by Medicare-and which procedures are "wasteful" and should not be covered.
Britain's National Health Service already has such a commission, established on precisely the same rationale. They call it the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, known by the Orwellian acronym NICE. It is becoming notorious for rules that deny care to older patients because they don't have enough "quality adjusted life years" left to justify the cost of their treatment.
If you read the British newspapers-and if you're concerned about what greater government control of medicine might look like, you should-then you might have caught the latest development: a letter by a group of distinguished British doctors complaining that the Liverpool Care Pathway, a NICE-endorsed system for determining the care given to severely ill patients, is causing doctors to abandon care for patients who still have a chance of recovery.
If that's not a "death panel," I don't know what is. Yet it is precisely the system Obama advocates to cut costs under his plan.
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shut up and pull
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 08:01pm PT
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Obama -- the biggest liar the presidency has ever seen. Period.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Sep 14, 2009 - 08:04pm PT
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This is not about race! I work on those crews that Long said to cut their salary on. I'm one of a few crackers on them and all the guy's are my buddies, to say that is offensive
Edit; I'm sorry John but every post?
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jstan
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 08:19pm PT
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"Yet it is precisely the system Obama advocates to cut costs under his plan."
This is strangely like what Nixon said to, I believe it was Haldeman, on the famous tapes.
When told that HMO's were intended "to pay out very little" Nixon said. "That's good. That's very good."
Look above and you again see SUAP posting at one minute intervals. It would make a good typist or computer.
You get out whatever was put in.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Sep 14, 2009 - 08:29pm PT
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No, Gobee, just the last several before I got back into it. I was too lazy to read all the way back to may last post. Sorry.
John
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Sep 14, 2009 - 08:32pm PT
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No the other John,"LARGO"
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sep 14, 2009 - 08:51pm PT
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Venice is a country? Now I know why you're a Republican, fattrad.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Sep 14, 2009 - 09:07pm PT
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Well, it's interesting that 73% of US doctors randomly surveyed by the Mt. Sinai School of Medicine currently favor a public healthcare option. 63% favor a competing public/private option and another 10% actually favor a single-payer system.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112818960
The results were published in the New England Journal of Medicine. Even 61% of the AMA doctors in the study favor a public option--in spite of the AMA itself being opposed to such an option.
Curt
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Sep 14, 2009 - 09:38pm PT
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Rumors coming out of DC are that the Whitehouse
has gone into a bunker mentality.
The double whammy of health care woes
and the ACORN criminal
activity revelations has
overwhelmed their coping skills.
ie: An attitude of extreme defensiveness and self-justification based on an often exaggerated sense of being under persistent attack from others.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Sep 14, 2009 - 09:41pm PT
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Rumors also have it that there will be no Republican/conservative comments made to my post above--because it blows the hell out of most of their arguments against public healthcare.
Curt
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