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Lituya
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Aug 15, 2018 - 10:16am PT
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Because members of one party (very often) fundamentally believe that violence is the way to physically force people to behave in a society, while the other party (very often) fundamentally believe in education and creating opportunities for a meaningful life as the path to encourage people to behave in a society.
NutAgain, you're smarter than this, right?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 15, 2018 - 10:25am PT
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Because members of one party (very often) fundamentally believe that violence is the way to physically force people to behave in a society
Antifa?
I know hundreds of liberals. I only know 2 who want to take away all guns, and limit them like great Britain does. Strictly for hunting. 2 out of hundreds. I'm talking about people that I have met.
Maybe you should apply similar critical thinking (or simple powers of observation) to understanding conservatives.
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John M
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Aug 15, 2018 - 10:40am PT
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I have no problems understanding conservatives. My family is very conservative. My father voted for Trump. I was raised in a Southern Baptist family. It hardly get more conservative then that. I grew up in small conservative ag towns. Yes.. they exist in California. If you don't know this, then you don't know California. I will say again. I have no problem understanding conservatives. I have worked for many. I have good relations with them. But I have watched the conservative party change as things like fox news and hannity and limbaugh have come to the front. There was a time when conservatives would have never considered someone like trump being fit to be president. They crucified Clinton for having affairs, and then turned around and voted for Trump.
I am mostly conservative. I want a balanced budget. I want to pay off the debt. I want a strong military, but not crazy strong. I want good schools. I want reasonable people to decide reasonable things. I want good strong infrastructure.
The problem that I am having is that I am finding few reasonable people anymore. Conservatives have gone bat sh#t crazy over some things and so have liberals. Few can get past trigger issues anymore and work together. That can't happen as long as people in each party control the conversation by using "all or nothing" arguments.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 15, 2018 - 10:46am PT
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Conservatives have gone bat sh#t crazy over some things and so have liberals
Thank you.
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John M
climber
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Aug 15, 2018 - 10:51am PT
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I did not say that they are the same. I did not even imply that. They certainly are not. The only way that they are the same is that they each have some issues that are trigger issues. And they each have topics where a portion of the party is insane and is controlling the dialogue. Those topics are different.. But they do exist. For both parties. Both parties also have a middle ground which is currently being drowned out.
I tend to vote Democrat because currently I believe that they at least try to reach across the aisle, contrary to what conservatives say about them.
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John M
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Aug 15, 2018 - 11:03am PT
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I trust Reilly's opinion a whole lot more then I trust yours. You are too prone to the all or nothing argument. You don't appear to be able to see shades of understanding.
Edit: for instance. there is more then one black person on this forum. But your disdain for people blinds you to that and causes people to not want to help you.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 15, 2018 - 11:27am PT
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After 5 weeks in Norge och Sverige all it took was 15 minutes at LAX to disabuse my more optimistic self that there is no hope for this country - the obesity and rudeness, sort of the tip of the iceberg of the greater malaise, was stunningly oppressive. Pretty sure Dems and Repubs were equally represented.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Aug 15, 2018 - 12:07pm PT
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I did not say that they are the same. I did not even imply that. They certainly are not. The only way that they are the same is that they each have some issues that are trigger issues. And they each have topics where a portion of the party is insane and is controlling the dialogue. Those topics are different.. But they do exist. For both parties. Both parties also have a middle ground which is currently being drowned out.
I reject the false dichotomy that both sides are equally bad. Sure, both sides have a shrill extreme. But if you look at who is actually winning primaries, the R's are putting up a far greater number of extreme candidates than Dems.
It isn't hard to find liars on both sides. But if you look at politicians that actually hold elected office, for instance in the Senate, you find far more Republican Senators that deny easily checkable facts than Democratic Senators.
Elected Republicans are generally incapable of contradicting that fantasies, conspiracies, and hate mongering coming from Fox News and Trump.
You don't get that level of lock step denial among elected Democrats.
Republicans are suffering from "the emperor has no clothes syndrome" or as Doonsebury once pointed out, "look ma, the clothes have no emperor".
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Aug 15, 2018 - 12:28pm PT
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Yeah, big fan of Reilly and his point of view. I wish more republicans were like him.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Aug 15, 2018 - 12:46pm PT
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The Quinnipiac poll numbers highlight how poorly Americans think of him
Only 31 percent of American voters like President Donald Trump as a person, while 59 percent dislike him, according to a Quinnipiac University National Poll released [Tuesday]. … By a smaller 54 – 43 percent margin, American voters dislike President Trump’s policies.
Voters disapprove 54 – 41 percent of the job Trump is doing as president, including 48 percent who disapprove strongly. Another 30 percent approve strongly. The Trump Administration is not doing enough to help middle class Americans, voters say 58 – 38 percent.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Aug 15, 2018 - 12:53pm PT
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I remember the far left of the early 70's and tailing off into the 80's. With the excesses of Nixon, Vietnam, DDT, institutionalized racism, the discrimination of women and so on, the far right slunk into a dark corner for a period and the far left surged in mass influence. Of course the left went too far (see Jane Fonda) and payed the price. They've currently all but vanished as a generational movement.
Sit-ins, tree spiking and well organized, radical, underground organizations of those days have been replaced by environmental scientists, environmental laywers, Social Democrats and civil liberty groups. They now work for more progressive policies and laws through the current framework of our political and legal system. This is your "far left" and hardly amount to the extreme left that many describe here as "drowning out" and wanting to destroy America.
There currently exists a progressive left, an establishment center left, centrists, center right, Neocons, Corporate Globalist, Economic Libertarians, Social Libertarians, the extreme right, states rights militiaman and of course the Fascists.
Of course given the excesses of Trump, the Koch Brothers, Citizens United, the Religious Right and so on, I'm looking forward to free healthcare the next time around.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Aug 15, 2018 - 01:23pm PT
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^^Trump Denial Syndrome^^
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Aug 15, 2018 - 01:28pm PT
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Trump and Jody
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Aug 15, 2018 - 01:37pm PT
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yep Jody suffers from acute TDS for sure.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 15, 2018 - 01:46pm PT
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Jody
climber
Occupied Territory
Aug 15, 2018 - 01:22pm PT
TDS is infecting everyone. It's an epidemic!
Today's posts support your claim. Lots of hysterical ranting.
Rage, rage against the dying of common sense.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Aug 15, 2018 - 01:53pm PT
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Reality check coming in a few months.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Aug 15, 2018 - 02:10pm PT
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so, where did Birther Boy AGV go?
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John M
climber
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Aug 15, 2018 - 02:17pm PT
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so, where did Birther Boy AGV go?
Some, maybe most of us are tired of this kind of sh#t. I don't like it from Jody. I don't like it from you.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Aug 15, 2018 - 02:19pm PT
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True about the oxygen, in line with that Trump needed to distract from the bad publicity so he pulled John Brennan's security clearance. Of course Mike Flynn the traitor, still has his clearance.
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Aug 15, 2018 - 02:24pm PT
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Bozos like Eddie or Jody calling people deranged who are justifiably concerned about Trump’s behavior is another ridiculous example of the upside-down, black-is-white Trump Cultists own derangement.
Trump cites John Brennan’s “erratic behavior” when revoking his security clearance today just like the banana-republic authoritarian dictators Trump so admires, and the Trump-holes will just lap it up and criticize, as suffering acute TDS, anyone who points out that this petty, vengeful act could harm national security.
Trump-holes who resented being accused of ODS, might think TDS is a biting insult based on reality; but what they may never be capable of realizing is that the same inability to see reality that caused them to suffer from Obama and Hillary derangement leads them to now project such a disorder upon those of us who can see quite clearly that the emperor is butt fvcking naked.
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