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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jun 18, 2017 - 11:48am PT
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Would you then also fear that most Christians have a strangely myopic certainty that the bible is truth?
The fact is there is truth in the Bible: what does the virgin birth mean or for that matter the birth of Athena from the head of Zeus or the birth of Dionysus from the thigh of Zeus or the birth of the Buddha from the level of the heart? Each of these births means something far more complex as metaphor and if read as metaphor offer real truths.
Good grief, you don't disparage the novel "Moby Dick" as BS. You look to the certain truths manifested in that great work and if you're smart try to absorb them into your own life.
I give it another ten posts on this thread before you blow a gasket.
Some here appear to have blown their gasket some time ago.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 18, 2017 - 12:06pm PT
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"Good grief, you don't disparage the novel "Moby Dick" as BS. You look to the certain truths manifested in that great work and if you're smart try to absorb them into your own life."
Well it wasn't..for most parts. :-)
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sempervirens
climber
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Jun 18, 2017 - 12:11pm PT
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Good grief, you don't disparage the novel "Moby Dick" as BS. You look to the certain truths manifested in that great work and if you're smart try to absorb them into your own life.
No, I'm not saying that Moby Dick is BS. I wouldn't devote my life to the teachings of Moby Dick, or use Moby Dick to divide humans into believers and nonbelievers of its truths. Not even saying the bible is BS. But if you're worried about people missing the point of the bible stories then isn't it also disturbing that people put 100% blind faith into the bible? Read those passages I cited. That ought to have you concerned, no? Religion is causing a lot of divisiveness, no?
What if someone with hidden motives figures out how to use religion to manipulate the masses? If you don't agree you're not a true believer, you'll be ostracized, you might go to hell. You see my point...
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Jun 18, 2017 - 12:47pm PT
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7SacredPools: People don't get to choose who they are attracted to . . . .
Take it from someone in his third marriage: you can and perhaps should learn to.
(But this should have nothing to do with homosexual pairings.)
Sycorax,
Hume’s ideas were complicated, and significant. With Locke, they set man on a path of development toward radical self-interest, the benefits of avarice / materialism over the other deadly sins, and provided the basis for Smith’s ideas on capitalism. Very impressive for his time, but in the long run, perhaps not so good for humanity. The story isn’t over, however.
The one thing I would have had him reconsider was the idea that passions ruled / directed reason. I would have had him give equal preference to both. There is a place for both, as both are different kinds of knowledge and means of gathering understanding. The notion is to see how to employ both without allowing either to assume dominance over the other. (It would require a consciousness that we have yet to develop.)
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 18, 2017 - 01:04pm PT
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Perspective and facts are two different things.
LOL... and then you proceed to quote one person's perspective of how to interpret the Bible. You post a snarky image that "quotes" a mixture of metaphor and some supposed "fact" about homosexuality, and you thereby believe you've said something significant.
You haven't.
As with what the word "natural" means in your ridiculous image, ALL of these points are matters of interpretation, including what the Bible really says.
I give it another ten posts on this thread before you blow a gasket.
LOL... you've blown more gaskets on these threads than I have.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 18, 2017 - 01:12pm PT
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What if someone with hidden motives figures out how to use religion to manipulate the masses?
been happening for a very long time
today the Taliban and ISIS use their literal interpretation of the Koran to justify Jihad
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 18, 2017 - 01:19pm PT
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The American Taliban does the same sh!t.
USA created the al qaeda & ISIS terrorists
They overthrow govt's, brainwash their citizen to warmonger since forever and worship the dollar.
They assassinate leaders of other countries and interfere and, manipulate with their elections
They etc etc etc etc on and on and on ......
boob d doesn't even have a gasket.
His stuff leaks and oozes out everywhere ...
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sempervirens
climber
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Jun 18, 2017 - 01:35pm PT
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What if someone with hidden motives figures out how to use religion to manipulate the masses.
been happening for a very long time
today the Taliban and ISIS use their literal interpretation of the Koran to justify Jihad
Really? dang, you are well informed on this, eh. Hey, just messin' with you.
That is indeed the point I'm making. Look at the similarities in how trumpism manipulates people to hate the muslims. And the crazy stuff in both these holy books.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Jun 18, 2017 - 02:05pm PT
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I opened up the Koran the other day for another go. I found this one in the first page:
As for those who are bent on denying the truth, it makes no difference to them whether you warn them or not, they will not believe.
God has sealed their hearts and their ears, and over their eyes is a covering. They will have a terrible punishment.//
Does anyone see the rather obvious non sequitur?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 18, 2017 - 02:59pm PT
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"Take it from someone in his third marriage: you can and perhaps should learn to. "
I guess I nailed it first try...42 years and counting. :-)
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 18, 2017 - 03:10pm PT
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Bob, I sent you a PM a while ago
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 18, 2017 - 03:20pm PT
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Didn't get it Norton, hope all is well?
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 18, 2017 - 03:25pm PT
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ok i just sent you a PM again
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 18, 2017 - 03:46pm PT
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Mike, you are preaching to the crowd lecturing in me about Hume. I have a degree in philosophy, spent time studying Hume, and was raised by a philosophy professor.
I have a Ph.D. in analytical philosophy, also studied Hume and Kant extensively, and what I find ironic is how empiricists today don't take what Hume (the greatest of the empiricists) said seriously.
The vast majority of philosophy of science revolves around the implications of Hume's writings, but most people thinking of themselves as empiricists today don't have any clue about any of it.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 18, 2017 - 03:51pm PT
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Yeah, modern people are pretty shallow surface thinkers.
They splash around in the shallow end of the pool.
They can't hold their breath in the deep end very long.
They drown there ........
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 18, 2017 - 04:19pm PT
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Hume was not a big fan of organized religions or the need to proof of a god. More than likely seeing the shortcomings of both.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 18, 2017 - 04:37pm PT
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You just repeated what madbolter1 already said .....
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jun 18, 2017 - 04:46pm PT
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hot in the Valley today, Werner?
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