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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Just by not blowing your own brains out you can cut your odds of being killed by a gun by 2/3. If you're not black, cut those odds in half again.
Then if you don't do drugs and you stay out of rotten neighborhoods your odds of being killed by a gun drop to practically nothing.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2015 - 11:53am PT
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Who's wrong and who's right in any disagreement probably depends a lot more on the pre-existing beliefs that we have coming in to the conversation than on the facts we bring. To say that cars are more dangerous killing machines because they, as machines, result in more unintentional deaths than guns do because most gun deaths are a result of human intentions towards violence is maybe more true than our pre-existing beliefs like to admit. Needing to balance the intended use and social good of each machine sometimes is more work than we like to do :-)
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Then if you don't do drugs and you stay out of rotten neighborhoods your odds of being killed by a gun drop to practically nothing.
you've never been to Roseburg or reynolds high in Troutdale or Springfield Oregon, have you?
The folks at Clackamas town center in the Macy's and chipotle weren't in a bad neighborhood or on drugs. The shooter stole an unsecured AR15 from his friends house.
Dont write asinine stuff like that if you want to be taken seriously.
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raymond phule
climber
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It is interesting to see how people think about risk and how different the interpretations are depending on their agenda.
It is an extremely small risk that you get killed in a terrorist attack.
The risk to you due to Syrian refugees is even smaller.
The risk to get killed by a gun is also small but probably larger than the once above for ordinary people.
The risk to die in a car accident is also pretty small but also depends on how and when you drive.
So why is it that some people get really scared for some extremely small risk events but at the same time try to downplay other small risks?
Accidental shootings, mass shooting and terrorism probably get way to much attention if looked at statistically, we probably should just ignore them and try to fix things that really can make a difference, but it really isn't that strange that most people don't like them and care a lot about them.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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because most gun deaths are a result of human intentions towards violence
A few million guns didn't kill anyone today.
It's about time to return the focus to the intent, and the perps.
Farook and his jihadi bride had a full on bomb factory going in the garage.
One could argue that they would have been far more lethal if they had no access to firearms and had instead focused their efforts on perfecting their bomb making skills. (evidently they weren't very good at it)
One woman intended to kill the other with an exacto knife at an art show. A Jihadi in England used a machete yesterday in the subway. Knife attacks seem to be a daily occurrence in Israel these days and are almost always unsuccessful and ended by a citizen armed with a firearm.
A Saudi gang of jihadis killed thousands in one day with little more than box cutters and intent.
Since Philo's sympathies lie with some of the perps causes, where's he going to focus without causing the pangs of cognitive dissonance?
On the implements, not the religion and political motivations of the attackers.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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"you've never been to Roseburg or Troutdale or Springfield Oregon, have you?"
Of the 32,000 killed by guns every year, that represents what? A tiny fraction?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Almost every single person killed by a car is killed completely by accident. Despite the best of efforts, the killer cars were totally out of control. As far as machines go, that makes the car far more dangerous than a gun.
No.
A bit over 31,000 road deaths occurred in 2013
, 23% of all accidents involved cell phone use. 3,154 people died, or about 10% of the deaths that year. Driver under 20 were about a quarter of that. 20% of teens and 10% of parents admit to texting at least once every time they drive.
In 2013, over 10,000 deaths were caused by impaired drivers. That was 31% of the deaths that year. An impaired driver causes a death every 51 minutes.
Speeding Rounded out the top three, with over 9,000 deaths in 2013
So at least 71% of road deaths were attributable to some crime or misdemeanor while driving.
Complete accidents is a myth.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2015 - 12:42pm PT
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Since Philo's sympathies lie with some of the perps causes, where's he going to focus without causing the pangs of cognitive dissonance?
On the implements, not the religion and political motivations of the attackers.
To intimate such a thing demonstrates your ignorance and your assness.
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dirtbag
climber
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Yeah, but relatively few use a car when they want to kill someone, or would likely use a car to kill someone in the absence of guns.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2015 - 12:52pm PT
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Yeah they would surely use an Xacto blade or a carrot.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2015 - 01:30pm PT
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See I told you.
Time to ban Salad Bars.
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Locker, dude, you're on a roll
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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i get that philo is mentally ill but do none of the rest of you ever tired of typing the same sh#t over and over and over and over
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2015 - 02:13pm PT
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You can say that again again.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Read it again...I said philo was probably the only one with somewhat of an excuse
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2015 - 02:25pm PT
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What you said was
i get that philo is mentally ill but do none of the rest of you ever tired of typing the same sh#t over and over and over and over
Pretty clear Locker made the right call Mr Cyber PsychoANALyst.
Do you suffer from P.D.S.?
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