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dirtbag

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 01:56pm PT

Sounds like an EMERGENCY...

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Denver, CO

Oct 13, 2015 - 01:56pm PT

Similar to glue fumes I suppose...

I can relate!!!...

Ahhhh... my eyes are rolling up back into my head.

OooooUhhhhhh....

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Oct 13, 2015 - 01:57pm PT

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Oct 13, 2015 - 02:13pm PT

Even Haaahvad thinks the hand wringers are wrong.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Denver, CO

Oct 13, 2015 - 03:27pm PT

Sadly, TGT, few are going to read that through, and its scholarly rigor will leave many cold, as it is not scintillating reading. However, it is very systematically researched and appeals to some very rigorous studies.

Thank you for contributing that article!

Norton

Social climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 04:00pm PT

[quote]Even Haaahvad thinks the hand wringers are wrong.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf[/quote]

skimmed through the article and read the conclusion

inconclusive..no clear evidence that people will or will not commit suicide based on the easy availability of firearms where they live, which makes sense as there is
no control group of the same individuals having or not having guns to compare

bottom line, people find many ways to kills themselves, throughout history

StahlBro

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Oct 13, 2015 - 04:03pm PT

Kates is a member of the Pacific Research Institute, which is Kock brothers funded conservative think tank notorious for fabricating "research" based on big payoff's from major corporations. I think that makes his credibility suspect. The NRA probably paid for it. They even tried to create fake research to help tobacco companies.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/12/27/koch-brothers-financed-research-institute-steps-up-obamacare-attacks/

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Oct 13, 2015 - 04:25pm PT

Progs always disparage the source when they can't refute the facts.

It's a long involved read.

Norton

Social climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 04:35pm PT

TGT,

I certainly did NOT disparage the Harvard source, show where I did. You can't

are you ever, ever, right about anything?

Splater

climber

Grey Matter

Oct 13, 2015 - 05:10pm PT

That paper has some tables of country data, which include only a tiny fraction of all countries. Why cherry pick data?
Other data clearly link prevalence of gun violence to number of guns/ lack of restrictions, along with other major causes such as violence culture.
And anyway it's about banning guns, which is not the primary goal of gun control. More control mostly means restrictions such as proper background checks and registration, which are ignored in that article. Stopping perhaps 5% of gun sales would not really make a dent in gun ownership, yet might make a difference in violent crime.
Here's just one of the citations in that paper, which find little to no correlation, yet Kates and Mauser claim it shows an "inverse correlation."
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=878132

One of the reasons authors can get away with such biased papers is that there is often some conflicting or confusing data. The NRA has pushed hard to prevent good data that could reduce those unknowns.
In 1996 the NRA ordered Congress to stop all research funding on guns by the CDC. And Congress obediently followed, like the little lap dogs they are.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-02/quietly-congress-extends-ban-cdc-research-gun-violence

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-ban-gun-research-caused-lasting-damage/story?id=18909347

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nra-congress-stymied-cdc-gun-research-budget/

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-04-12/gun-owners-face-much-higher-murder-risks-researchers-said-then-nra-silenced-them

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/10/nra-gun-safety_n_2449591.html

http://www.propublica.org/article/republicans-say-no-to-cdc-gun-violence-research

http://spokanepublicradio.org/post/counter-gun-violence-researchers-seek-deeper-data

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/03/how-groups-like-the-nra-captured-congress-and-how-to-take-it-back/273623/

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/09/the-gun-lobbying-group-you-dont-hear-about/279616/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wired-success/201212/gun-control-and-the-culture-violence

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/12/this_is_the_nras_worst_nightmare_the_new_gun_safety_study_that_gun_nuts_dont_want_you_to_hear_about/

http://radio.foxnews.com/2015/06/13/study-connecticut-gun-control-laws-saved-300-lives-in-decade/

http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-and-research/resources/digtal_update_Webster_Vernick.pdf

Fritz

Trad climber

Choss Creek, ID

Oct 13, 2015 - 05:19pm PT

Locker! He's got a Syndrome & it's not fair to pick on him about how un-tall he is, since he's "height-challenged."

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/15851/1/Short-Man-Syndrome-Explained.html

Short Man Syndrome Explained

By Stanley C Loewen | Psychology |

'Short man syndrome' is a condition in which a person has to deal with a feeling of inadequacy which can come from a lack of height – or a perceived lack of height. This is particularly common in men who gain a lot of confidence and status from physicality and who often gain pleasure from being able to feel physically imposing.

Short man syndrome is an informal term and not a medical or psychological condition and goes by other names such as 'Napoleon complex'. Technically it is a form of inferiority complex in which the person attempts to overcompensate for their perceived shortcoming. The term is often used as a derogatory term also to describe those who are perceived as acting this way. - - - -

philo

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 05:28pm PT

Splater

climber

Grey Matter

Oct 13, 2015 - 06:17pm PT

Gun Culture:
Just as the NRA’s focus has shifted over time from its start as an organization focused on training and marksmanship to one that is a major player in the battle over gun control, the reasons why Americans own guns also have changed. About half (48%) of gun owners said the main reason they owned a gun was for protection, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in February 2013. This compares to 26% in Aug 1999.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/04/24/5-facts-about-the-nra-and-guns-in-america/

philo

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 06:26pm PT

The NRA bought and paid for Republican congressman just quietly voted to maintain the ban on CDC research into gun violence in America.

Not
Relevant
Anymore

The Chief

climber

Down the hill & across the Valley from......

Oct 13, 2015 - 09:14pm PT

It's ALL Bush's and NRA's fault. All of it. None of them shootings since 1850 would have ever taken place had either been around. Not one.

locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!

Oct 13, 2015 - 01:49pm PT

The dude is the most negative and hostile person on this forum...

locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!

Oct 13, 2015 - 01:14pm PT

Hi everyone!!!

and here I thought ....

And 22 post yesterday..... all directed towards me. So as I see it LOcker, it takes you well over 2 or so hours to do all that photography manipulation etc so that equates to well over 4-6 hours there. Then posting on the computer for over 10 hours or so yesterday and then add an additional 10 hours over the past week.

So, you have spent 20-24 hours of your life dedicated to thinking about me the past week or so.

Then there's Compton, Philco and Fruitz and their numerous posts that were directed and dedicated towards me.

Thanks LOcker, Philco, Compton and Fuitz for allowing me to inhabit your, skulls. I am so honored.

Go figure....

Carry on with the Hysteria. It gets funnier as each day passes, seriously.

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Oct 13, 2015 - 09:16pm PT

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Fritz

Trad climber

Choss Creek, ID

Oct 13, 2015 - 09:59pm PT

It's always interesting to see how many of our WWII Vet fathers never talked about their war experiences around their children.

In 1943 my father was in his late 20’s, deaf in one ear, had a 2 year old child, & was working in agriculture, providing food for our armies.

He was drafted late in 1943, & got to invade Okinawa in April 1945 with the Army. All I ever heard about his war-wound was from my mother, who said a close miss from a shell-burst still got him in the back. He received a small disability check every month.

I grew up in the ski-resort town of Ketchum/Sun Valley Idaho, & my parents had several close friends who were in the 10th Mountain Division. When we had family get-togethers & big drinking parties for the adults, I never heard a war story.

I never really thought about why none of these folks shared their war-stories.

Maybe, it was just too hard, or too bitter, or in the 1950’s WWII was too recent to talk about?

But, The Chief has "Little Man Syndrome" & needs to post his war stories, along with a bunch of very negative schit about others who post, to prove he really is "a significant doode."

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/15851/1/Short-Man-Syndrome-Explained.html

The Chief

climber

Down the hill & across the Valley from......

Oct 13, 2015 - 10:08pm PT

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID

Oct 13, 2015 - 09:59pm PT

But, The Chief needs to post his war stories, ...

Now, do POST anything of the sorts.. you know, all them supposed "war stories" I have posted.

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID

Oct 13, 2015 - 09:59pm PT

....along with a bunch of very negative schit about others

Are ALL them guns of yours that you "love" so dearly, "FRITZ", keeping you warm tonight?

Oh, and are they all gathered together along with that NRA Lifetime MBR card of yours.

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID

Oct 6, 2015 - 08:30pm PT

I Love my guns....

The Chief

climber

Down the hill & across the Valley from......

Oct 13, 2015 - 10:42pm PT

NRA will step in to fund appeals, of course.

Don't think so. Not in this case.

Badger Guns was also previously called Badger Outdoors, and at times was the No. 1 seller of firearms used in crimes in the U.S. — moving 537 guns that were recovered from crime scenes in 2005 alone, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Norberg and Kunisch weren't the only members of the police force injured by a gun bought at Badger: Between 2007 and 2009, six Milwaukee cops were hurt by guns sold by Badger Guns or Badger Outdoors, according to the suit.

This case against them will only assure that they lose their Federal License and ultimately be shut down by ATF. The NRA isn't going to help defend any "Cop" shooters.