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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
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Well, the Dems might have chosen the wrong windmill to tilt after with Keystone, but there are arguments to be made that it will simply reinforce oil dependence, create risk to our own lands, it's for oil that is likely to be mostly shipped to other countries, and the extraction & refinement process is pretty nasty. Still worthy considerations.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Nov 19, 2014 - 01:24pm PT
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What's odd is that congress is trying to mandate approval of a single private pipeline project. The project is really just a pissing contest between the Kochs and that hedge fund guy.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2014 - 01:44pm PT
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Fook you illuminati!
That's right--fook you!
Fook your mother and yer daddy too!
We know all about you and your implant plans. Fook that, fook you!
...since They see and read everything, let's see how long it takes for me to disappear. ;-)
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 02:00pm PT
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How does it benefit America/Americans?
It doesn't, if you're a "let them eat cake" Democrat like Steyer. If you want a job, it's a different story.
John
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 19, 2014 - 02:07pm PT
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how about voting for a H2o pipeline to California from the Midwest.
next war is going to be over water
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 19, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
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how about voting for a H2o pipeline to California from the Midwest.
 check one of my recent posts on the fracking thread for an idea of the quality you can expect from the midwest...
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crankster
Trad climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 05:04pm PT
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Nov 19, 2014 - 05:35pm PT
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The Republicans are going to throw an epic hissy fit instead of simply enacting immigration legislation.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 19, 2014 - 05:35pm PT
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They's gonna go all Bundy Ranch if Obama tries to give any freedom to them Mexicans!
reminds me, how do you turn a bunch of really strong, manly-men and women into whinny, snively little children real quick.
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What Would Ronny Do?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 05:39pm PT
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Register them Republican?
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 19, 2014 - 06:59pm PT
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Gary! It ain't always that easy to Register Republican in the ruarl west. Even old white guys can have trouble.
Idaho went to a “closed primary” system a couple years back, where only registered members of a political party could vote for candidates in their party primary.
It seemed prudent to join ranks with Idaho’s Republicans, who dominate our “Red-State” politics. Then, I could always vote for the most horrible candidate in contested Republican primaries, with the (usually forlorn) hope that a Democrat might win in the fall elections.
My more paranoid side also thought it might be good to be a registered Republican, for when they decide to send those from other parties off to concentration camps, sometime in a dark future.
I walked into the rural county courthouse office, where I could register my chosen political party, smiled brightly at the obese woman behind the counter, and in my best Central-Idaho dialect proclaimed: “I’d like to register as a Republican!” It sounds like: “eyed lykke to regster Repubcan!”
She eyed me with obvious suspicion and replied; “you have a lot of teeth for a Repubcan, yere age.”
I leaned forward, gave her a big yellow smile, and said: "I‘ve been lucky with my teeth, but I’m missing five of them."
Everything else went smoothly.
“Ahmm Darn glad to be “a Repubcan!”
“Goddamn Liberals!”
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
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Doesn't it make more sense to vote for the best Democrat - if you want to see the Democrats win - than to vote for the worst Republican?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:13pm PT
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Fritz, California went to an open primary. The result is that in the general election you only have two choices: Dem or Repub. This blows, IMO.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
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Chaz! a good question!
Doesn't it make more sense to vote for the best Democrat - if you want to see the Democrats win - than to vote for the worst Republican?
Except! "Them damn Democrats never win an lection in Idontno!"
We are the most Repubcan state!
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:47pm PT
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It seemed prudent to join ranks with Idaho’s Republican’s, who dominate our “Red-State” politics. Then, I could always vote for the most horrible candidate in contested Republican primaries, with the (usually forlorn) hope that a Democrat might win in the fall elections.
exactly what I do, Fritz
I am a Registered Republican also, and I vote in their Primaries for the proper candidate.....
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
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Gary! Re your comment:
Fritz, California went to an open primary. The result is that in the general election you only have two choices: Dem or Repub. This blows, IMO.
If you think so.
I don't remember folks that are not Repubcan or Democrats winning elections for offices that matter, in contested races in Idontno, now that it has a closed primary, or back when it had an open primary.
For that matter, I don't remember any independents winning national elections, although Ralph Nader running, certainly "screwed the pooch" for Al Gore in the 2000 presidential election.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 19, 2014 - 08:00pm PT
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Democrats have seen the law and the Constitution as just minor impediments to the accumulation of power since their inception with Andrew Jackson and Worcester vs. Georgia.
http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/government-politics/worcester-v-georgia-1832
"The decision of the supreme court has fell still born, and they find that it cannot coerce Georgia to yield to its mandate." .
They have presented us with another tyrant that pisses on the Constitution.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 08:02pm PT
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dirtbag wrote:
Jesus Larry, were you even paying attention last year? Well, it coulda been I was living my life somewhere, don't remember exactly.
It was killed by right wingers, who completely abdicated their responsibility to govern by refusing to even discuss the issue. Kinda like the 300 plus bills passed by the House that Harry Reid won't even allow a vote on in the Senate? Both parties, eh?
If immigration reform is so urgent, why wasn't anything done when the democrats controlled all of Congress and the Executive branch? Whats wrong with just enforcing the laws already on the books? Not a rhetorical question, what is the argument to not enforcing the existing laws? Don't good fences make good neighbors? Lots of people waiting in line to legally live and work in this country. We could increase legal immigration numbers, but the illegal immigration issue just seems politicized on all sides with little civil discourse.
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Nov 19, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
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If immigration reform is so urgent, why wasn't anything done when the democrats controlled all of Congress and the Executive branch
the "Democrats" never, ever, had control of congress
for roughly less than 40 days they had 58 Dems in the Senate, not the 60 needed to pass legislation that the Republicans filibustered
what they get done in that short period of time was to get the two Independent Senators to join with them to get to 60 and get healthcare passed along with the Lilly Equal Pay for Women legislations
damn good work in a very short period of time
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regarding immigration, the Senate DID pass, because yes it IS that important, with enough Republicans joining in, a comprehensive Immigration Legislation that cleans up everything, but the Republican Speaker of the House, John Boehner, still to this day refuses to allow it to come up for a full vote before the House, because he knows there IS enough votes for it to become law
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