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apogee
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Nov 28, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
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Jeebus, Ron...give it a rest, huh?
Go stuff a turkey or something.
And have a nice day.
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Curt
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Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 28, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
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Even as President Obama has issued a constant refrain of how upset he is that his Obamacare website doesn't work and promises that he's on top of the fix, three 20-year-old website designers in San Francisco made a working Obamacare website using Healthcare.gov's own code. They did it in only three days...
Just more lies from Ron.
Fox's Misleading HealthCare.Gov Comparison Disputed By Actual Web Developers
November 18, 2013 1:03 PM EST ››› MICHELLE LEUNG
Fox News misleadingly compared the Affordable Care Act's HealthCare.gov to private website HealthSherpa.com, despite the fact that the programmers previously explained to Fox this was not an "apples to apples comparison."
In response to the troubled rollout of the federal HealthCare.gov, three private programmers recently created HeatlhSherpa.com, a site which shows some health insurance plans available through the new health care law's exchanges, based on a person's zip code, income, and family size. The site does not allow users to purchase insurance, does not verify citizenship, and can only estimate tax breaks and subsidies that users might be eligible for, all functions of the HealthCare.gov website that make purchasing an insurance policy possible.
On the November 18 edition of Fox & Friends, Fox News host Elisabeth Hasselbeck ignored many of these differences in the websites' functionality to claim HealthSherpa.com was a "working healthcare website" and implied it was a preferable alternative to the "failed HealthCare.gov website." Hasselbeck interviewed Michael Wasser, one of the founders of HealthSherpa.com, who explained some of the functional differences between his site and the federal health care website.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/18/foxs-misleading-healthcaregov-comparison-disput/196946
Happy Turkey Day.
Curt
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 29, 2013 - 11:29am PT
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Welcome to the perverse "progressive" thugocarcy!
Bill Elliot came forward with his story in the beginning of November, when the Obamacare stories were beginning to shift from the website debacle to the personal stories of the many people who were losing their individual plans, and could not afford a new one. Bill Elliot told his story to Megyn Kelly of Fox News, which was, in short, he is a cancer patient who was going to be losing his insurance coverage in the middle of treatment. After initially investigating his insurance options, he made the decision to simply pay the penalty and stop treatment in order not to bankrupt his family.
After hearing that story, C. Steven Tucker, an insurance broker, got in touch with Mr. Elliot. As a result of Mr. Tucker’s work, Bill Elliot was going to be able to keep his old insurance policy, much to his relief. Mr. Tucker talks about the experience on his own blog (emphasis from the original):
http://csteventucker.wordpress.com/2013/11/13/the-truth-about-preexisting-conditions/
So, all is well that ends well, right? A happy ending! An insurance plan reinstated and a man’s life potentially saved!
Well, not so much. For while the good news from Mr. Tucker (who has been faithfully updating his original post with new developments) is that Mr. Elliott is currently in remission, but he is now being audited by the IRS, who want to go all the way back to 2009. And to make sure that no good deed goes unpunished, C. Steven Tucker is ALSO being audited – all the way back to 2003.
That is simply too much of a coincidence to actually be one.
The White House is embarrassed by all these stories. They are constantly trying to find success stories of their own to prop up, but even those have fallen apart as more time has passed, as in the case of Washington state resident Jessica Sanford, who President Obama himself touted at his Rose Garden press conference back in October. So here is a story of a man who would literally die without his health insurance, being interviewed on the “evil” Fox News, making trouble with the facts of his own situation. And he just “randomly” comes up for an audit after being interviewed on national television???
Oh, and let’s not forget Mr. Tucker, who was trying to help. He deprived the administration of being able to ride in and save the day, and kept them from turning their PR nightmare into a fairy tale where the president comes in to make a few phone calls and saves a man’s life. So, punish him for being helpful.
http://victorygirlsblog.com/?p=16006
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 29, 2013 - 11:49am PT
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3 20 yr olds, 3 days in their off time and a perfectly working website for the ACA..
shouldn't this be in your "San Francisco' Thread?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 29, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
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They said they could have done it for about $1,000.
Obama spent a million times that much ( a billion dollars ), and can't get it to work.
Don't need to be a scholar to see the contrast.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 29, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
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Yeah, I know.
I like to remind people that we're paying for socialism, but we're just not getting it delivered.
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apogee
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Nov 29, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
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I feel that way everytime we wind up going to war with a country.
Or drive on a freeway.
Or call 911 and have the fire department arrive.
Or go to a local park.
Or safely fly on a plane.
Socialism. It's all Socialism, dammit!
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 29, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
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I feel that way everytime we wind up going to war with a country.
Or drive on a freeway.
Or call 911 and have the fire department arrive.
Or go to a local park.
Or safely fly on a plane.
Socialism. It's all Socialism, dammit!
Again, the necessary correction.... What state and local entities agree to do that you call "socialism" is contemplated by the Constitution. When the feds do similar things, particularly redistribution of the fruits of individual labor to other individuals, that is indeed socialism in the worst sense.
The feds were supposed to have limited and constrained powers; with the majority of power residing in the states and the people. That has been turned on its head.
So, you don't get to use local examples of "socialism" as justification for the feds engaging in socialism. Apples and giraffes!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 29, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
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An attractive storefront won't save an enterprise whose products are all crap. It just means more people will be able to see for themselves the crap that it is.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 29, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
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Woohoo....free healthcare on Chaz...we never have to work again!
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 29, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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We the People WILL have social.ism because the people touting selfishness are a tiny minority.
Your examples of "socialism" are not. And I'm not advocating laissez faire economics! I'm all for federal regulation of corporations and "free" enterprise. But THAT is not the same thing as socialism.
And your idea that there is this hard dichotomy between "socialism" and "selfishness" is patently ridiculous.
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apogee
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Nov 29, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
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Safely flying on a plane & going to war with other countries are 'local examples'? Ummm...no.
The GOP position on the healthcare system problem is so weak...you've got nothing to offer in the way of solutions, except most notably, Romneycare, which received the stamp of approval from the Heritage Foundation, and Obama used as a primary model for the ACA.
The ACA functions under a true, capitalist, free market structure, where insurance companies compete for our business.
If Romney had won...and for some ridiculous reason decided to buck the GOP base and actually address the HR problem...there is no doubt he would have used the structure he created in MA.
Libs would complain that his reforms weren't based on a single payer system, and the GOP would easily politically maneuver the whole mess because they'd be able to show they are actually doing something, and you guys would fall in silent lockstep right behind him, pointing out the fact that progress is being made while still relying on the capitalist, free market system.
The only reason you aren't doing that right now is because the Democrat won the office, and Eye of Sauron (aka Fox News) has poured the koolaid right down your willing gullets.
Get over it. The ACA was your idea.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 29, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
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Safely flying on a plane & going to war with other countries are 'local examples'? Ummm...no.
Agreed. They are examples instead of powers explicitly granted to the feds.
They are also NOT examples of socialism.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 29, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
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I am for socialized health care.
I am not (for principled reasons). However, as I have said, I AM willing... and that is because I'm pragmatic enough to be in favor of single-payer (properly funded) IF it will extricate us from the morass that is the ACA!
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apogee
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Nov 29, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
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Quit splitting hairs...the point is...to your point...the Federal Gov't takes my tax dollars and 'redistributes that wealth' to many functions that don't directly benefit me. Or worse, this happens towards functions that I don't support at all.
Edit: You keep ranting about how you'd support a single payer system if it immediately replaced the ACA. If I dug around the ST HR threads during the time that the ACA was being developed, do you suppose I'd find you commenting on how much you support a SP system? I'm not gonna hold my breath.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 29, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
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Gov't takes my tax dollars and 'redistributes that wealth' to many functions that don't directly benefit me. Or worse, this happens towards functions that I don't support at all.
It is NOT "splitting hairs." There is a profound difference between government serving FUNCTIONS to protect fundamental rights (such as having a national defense) and government forcibly extracting my money to just hand it over to somebody else serving NO NATIONAL FUNCTION (and thereby violating my fundamental rights). The former was expressly contemplated by the Constitution, while the latter was forbidden (and the interpretation thereof on this point is undeniable in, for example, the Federalist Papers).
The former is NOT socialism, while the latter is. This is no hair-splitting.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 29, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
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do you suppose I'd find you commenting on how much you support a SP system? I'm not gonna hold my breath.
Of course not. Why would you expect to?
I've been vehemently opposed to the ACA from its inception. Am I somehow inconsistent because I oppose it, but would support something "more socialistic" if it would supplant it?
I honestly thought that the ACA would not withstand Supreme Court review. It BARELY did. Now that it "made it," I'm pragmatic enough to realize that we are WELL down the slippery slope. So I just want to see something at the bottom of that slope that can WORK. The ACA cannot solve the problems it was put in place to solve. So, let's get something in place that can.
We HAVE socialistic health care now; so let's make it WORK, and that means eliminating the "fake private sector" crap that makes the ACA a hybrid monster.
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apogee
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Nov 29, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
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Yeah, well, invading countries on a pre-emptive premise & no direct evidence of aggression is against the law, too...and you guys didn't have any trouble making that happen, did you?
Do you not see the hypocrisy of the position of your Party on HR? The ACA was a good idea when your POTUS candidate created it, and now it's a bad idea because the Democrat POTUS implemented it.
GET OVER IT. If this is unacceptable to you, no doubt you can find plenty of other countries that operate more irrationally idealistically (i.e. Somalia) to suit your preference.
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Curt
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Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 29, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
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"Socialism" is government ownership of the Means of Production.
No, that's basically a textbook definition of communism. Communism and socialism have extremely little, if anything in common.
The word Socialism to most people refers to Hitler's Germany.
God, I hope that's not true. That would imply that "most people" are stupid.
Curt
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apogee
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Nov 29, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
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"The ACA cannot solve the problems it was put in place to solve. So, let's get something in place that can."
Show me one Republican politician that has a serious, feasible alternative with which to replace the ACA.
Just one.
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