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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Apr 12, 2019 - 08:09am PT
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I agree U.K. was a bad place to hide, Snowden had a much better plan.
Seems like he didn't expect they'd really go after him, back in 2010. Ecuador had stashed him away in the embassy solely as an asset for future bargaining with the US/EU/IMF; doesn't seem like he realized what their game would be when he picked their embassy. Just odd that someone who hacks into Pentagon and all couldn't figure what's coming next... unless he wanted the whole thing for some strange reason.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 12, 2019 - 08:13am PT
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First-time poster here and I have never lurked, either.
So, I'm a Wikileaks virgin.
If you don't believe me, ask the Comedian-In-Chief.
Neither of us knows anything re Wikileaks.
Let me repeat, neither of us knows a thing about it.
NO THING...IT'S NOT OUR THING.
https://www.facebook.com/motherjonesvideo/videos/1016023038571496/
I'm kinda like, more or less, WBraun when he started this thread:
"I know nothing about them..."
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2019 - 08:15am PT
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LOL, just see how you fools get vacuumed up by the disinfo machines.
That is why politard threads never last .....
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Apr 12, 2019 - 08:18am PT
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^^ So (regarding the video)...does it mean he'd be getting a sweet deal/suspended sentence once he's extradited to the US (after he gives up the dirt he got on everyone)? They're getting him now right as the next election campaign is coming up.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Apr 12, 2019 - 08:24am PT
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Sounds like Assange was losing it. He was smearing his feces on the walls.
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Apr 12, 2019 - 08:49am PT
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Came across this, from his "Unauthorized Autobiography" which sheds the light on choosing to be in the EU at that time:
https://justice4assange.com/extraditing-assange.html#ECUADOR
"I went to Sweden in August 2010 with the words of the Pentagon still ringing in my ears. Geoff Morrell, the press secretary, had given a briefing in which he implied that WikiLeaks, and I specifically, should begin worrying."
At the same time it was revealed that there was a 90-man Pentagon task force, later increased to 120 men, dedicated to WikiLeaks and working 24 hours a day and seven days a week. The FBI and Defence Intelligence Agency were part of this group.
I had not given up on the idea of finding a haven where we might do our work in peace. Sweden looked possible. It was regarded as an independent, liberal country, with a Freedom of Information Act going back to the 1780s and a Constitution that makes special and lengthy provision for the protection of press freedom.
To gain protection from prior restraint, it is necessary in Sweden to have both a publishing certificate and to be working for a listed, responsible editor. I went to Sweden with that in mind, hoping to gain a certificate and also to put myself in the position of becoming an accredited editor.
So, Sweden represented ... a future working environment and a safe haven, which makes what happened next all the more bitter.
Looks like he didn't complete World Politics 101 before making decisions, the above is as delusional as it can get
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2019 - 08:59am PT
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formerclimber = guillable fool
This why the disinfo machine works so well to keep you fools ultimately in the dark ....
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 12, 2019 - 09:16am PT
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Is that luke skywalker in the middle?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 12, 2019 - 09:27am PT
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Retarded snowflakes think it’s about free speech.
It’s about not phukking with Da Man!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 12, 2019 - 10:10am PT
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Wow! Gone for less than a day and foamingclimber is working up quite a froth.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 12, 2019 - 10:16am PT
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Retarded snowflakes think it’s about free speech.
It’s about not phukking with Da Man!
Often the same thing.
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Bargainhunter
climber
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Apr 12, 2019 - 10:35am PT
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Snowdon is a patriot. Assange/Wikileaks disclosed info that every American should know, such as US war crimes being covered up by the US government, like the murder of civilian Iraqis in Baghdad by US helicopters without any provocation. This specific example only became a public issue because two Reuters journalists happen to have been targeted, and Reuters expressed outrage. The US would not release info about it, so Assange released the video footage directly, illustrating a common practice of the US targeting civilians in war areas and then denying it or covering it up.
Think of all the other instances of civilians killed by the US military but no one is there to ask questions about it. Same sh#t, different year. And you wonder why people hate the US? The blowback generated by these war crimes will come back to roost. Wikileaks provides transparency and accountability that the US somehow feels it doesn't need to provide. Funny how our country has changed overtime and the very freedoms it once sought to protect are now attacked. Pathetic how so many gloat in patriotism over these atrocious acts. Wake the F up people!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-army-iraq-attack
Watch the video at the end of this recent New Yorker article. Any questions?
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/julian-assange-versus-the-trump-administration
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 12, 2019 - 10:53am PT
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If I, sitting here in the U.S., assisted a Russian soldier via webex or by email, in hacking a password on a Russian military system in order for that soldier to give me some info contained in that system, how is it that I, as a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, am guilty of violating Russian law subject to
It is my contention I am not subject to Russian law unless I am in Russian sovereign territory, given I am not a citizen there.
DMT
So if I, sitting in Cuba, fire a missile into the US, hitting Washington, DC and destroying it, I have committed no crime?
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Don Paul
Social climber
Washington DC
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Apr 12, 2019 - 10:53am PT
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Folks you can be prosecuted for committing a crime outside of the territory of a country. By Russia , the us, or whatever country the crime was against. I argue these issues all the time in court. Example: if you are caught smuggling drugs from country a to b, either could prosecute you, even if you never got out of country a. In fact the us prosecutes lots of these people on the basis that the drugs would probably end up in the us, even if the trafficker is in Colombia and doesn't know their destination.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 12, 2019 - 10:58am PT
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Snowdon is a patriot. Assange/Wikileaks disclosed info that every American should know, such as US war crimes being covered up by the US government, like the murder of Iraqis in Baghdad by US helicopters without any provocation. This specific example only became a public issue because two Reuters journalists happen to have been targeted, and Reuters expressed outrage. The US would not release info about it, so Assange released the video footage directly, illustrating a common practice of the US targeting civilians in war areas and then denying it or covering it up.
You make an arguable case.
However, you make no case for ALL the other information disclosed, regarding confidential informants, materials and methods, confidential communications, etc. No one seems to be after them for the helicopter disclosure, yet that seems to be the only way to defend them.
It would be like defending Charlie Manson on the basis that one of the people his "family" killed was actually a muslim terrorist.
Really?
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Apr 12, 2019 - 10:58am PT
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Wow! Gone for less than a day and foamingclimber is working up quite a froth. Yes, Kremlin doesn't give me days off nowadays, even eliminated lunch breaks.
You must have no life to spend time tracking other posters on msg boards LOL... I guess nice to have a pension.
Folks you can be prosecuted for committing a crime outside of the territory of a country. By Russia , the us, or whatever country the crime was against. I argue these issues all the time in court. Example: if you are caught smuggling drugs from country a to b, either could prosecute you, even if you never got out of country a. In fact the us prosecutes lots of these people on the basis that the drugs would probably end up in the us, even if the trafficker is in Colombia and doesn't know their destination.
Exactly - the location for cyber crime does not matter. US even kidnaps hackers from other countries and one can be prosecuted no matter where they were sitting. Cybercrime is borderless, just like some drug crimes. Same applies to fraud and a few other types of crime
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Apr 12, 2019 - 11:06am PT
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Julian is not naive
he was/is wanted in Sweden on a rape charge
yet rather than go there and prove his innocence or guilt he chose to hide in London
why are some people defending this?
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Apr 12, 2019 - 11:23am PT
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If I, sitting here in the U.S., assisted a Russian soldier via webex or by email, in hacking a password on a Russian military system in order for that soldier to give me some info contained in that system, how is it that I, as a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, am guilty of violating Russian law subject to
It is my contention I am not subject to Russian law unless I am in Russian sovereign territory, given I am not a citizen there.
If you commit a crime such as cybercrime against a US citizen while you're overseas and non-US person: you'd be prosecuted by the US without a problem, it happens all the time. If it'd bad enough US can not only request to extradite - can simply kidnap, if the country is compliant. Same with other countries.
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Apr 12, 2019 - 11:27am PT
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You said "It is my contention". This is personal contention only but international law apparently does not have a problem with this type of international prosecution, as it's a routine practice. Extradition is subject to treaties, so it's the UK's decision.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 12, 2019 - 11:29am PT
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. You must have no life to spend time tracking other posters on msg boards LOL... I guess nice to have a pension.
lol
When I said gone for less than a day I was referring to myself.
But who has this pension of mine? Now I'm pissed!
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