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WBraun
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Jul 16, 2010 - 04:15pm PT
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Dirtbag -- "Do I think ..."
Thinking and actual facts are two different things.
Thus you are only speculating guessing.
Thus your whole arguments here are null and void .......
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dirtbag
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Jul 16, 2010 - 04:17pm PT
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Thinking and actual facts are two different things.
Thus you are only speculating guessing.
Thus your whole arguments here are null and void .......
I'm sorry, I forgot you know everything, including the "fact" that the moon landings weren't real.
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WBraun
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Jul 16, 2010 - 04:32pm PT
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Yes you should be sorry.
As you are the same "Sheeple!" you continually call others ......
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 16, 2010 - 04:39pm PT
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Dirtbag, I find it interesting that you answer a few questions, but completely avoid the ones I ask--even though you address me as if the answers you give are to the questions I asked.
So let me ask again, why do you think Bush was against forming the 9-11 Commission?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 16, 2010 - 04:55pm PT
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Coz, you speak with a air of authority. Maybe you can try answering my question about Bush being against forming a 9-11 commission to look into attacks against the US mainland.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jul 16, 2010 - 05:06pm PT
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i think dirtbag's f*#k-up scenario is worth some discussion. there's the lihop, the mihop, and then there's just plain incompetence, on a massive scale, with a great deal of sympathy and understanding for it, which is a little hard to believe, but i'd like to hear him elaborate.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 16, 2010 - 05:13pm PT
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There is direct evidence of deliberate involvement of conspiracy by these individuals below:
Cofer Black
George Tenet
John Gannon
Rod Middleton
Louis Freeh -- FBI Director
CIA Yemen station
CIA Pakistan Station
CIA Bin Laden unit -- Richard Blee as its Chief,
Tom Wilshire -- Deputy Chief of the Bin Laden unit
The 9/11 Commission is a total fraud and thus opens a huge Pandora box ....
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dirtbag
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Jul 16, 2010 - 05:36pm PT
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So let me ask again, why do you think Bush was against forming the 9-11 Commission?
Actually I already answered what I think might be the reasons. But honestly, I don't know for sure.
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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Jul 16, 2010 - 05:37pm PT
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Make no mistake, I don't know what happened on 9-11, if it was an inside job or if it were allowed to happen, or if they are just covering their incompetence.
It wasn't done by Bush, that's for sure! Presidents, as Obama continues to prove, are merely pawns of the status quo power structure. The telegraphing of 9-11 was published by the Project for a New American Century. The same guys who were with Bush 1 have been working on stuff for decades.
So I'm not pointing at some specific plot that I know happened. Just that we're being lied to so let's take the cover off the septic tank and pump some sh#t out
Peace
Karl Karl... You and I agree on more than you may think.
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dirtbag
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Jul 16, 2010 - 05:40pm PT
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As you are the same "Sheeple!" you continually call others ......
LOL, I do it in jest, because people like you (as your post demonstrates) are always crying "Sheeple" at folks who reject the tin-foil bullsh#t.
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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Jul 16, 2010 - 05:43pm PT
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rrradam can't always remember everything he puts out here, but one of his own fantasy websites admits that no steel skyscrapers ever came down this way before. You are on glue...
You are referring to a video that directly refutes your initial statement to me that no steel structured buildings have ever come down this way as a result of fire. The video gives examples of many.
So, not only are you 'bass akwards' in what the video I showed you said, but you are are even putting words into my mouth that are the opposite of what I've said.
Go back and look, although you seem to deliberately miss, ignore, and/or deny ANYTHING that disagrees with what you wish to believe.
No surprise though... You are consistant.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 16, 2010 - 05:49pm PT
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Phunny, but I think the one's who should consider donning an Alcoa fedora are those who argue in defense of the "official" explanation.
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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Jul 16, 2010 - 05:52pm PT
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Apparently your physics is rusty. The guy is right. The positive force is gravity. The negative force is the resistance. That much should be simple to understand. Apparently not though. Back at you...
He said the net force is up, meaning, he is saying that after he adds the two forces together (static load of the floor below [the up force], with the dynamic load of 30 stories falling 10+ feet [the down force]), that the up force is greater, thus it is the net force. This is simply absurd.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Jul 16, 2010 - 05:54pm PT
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Philo may be on to something: Why is it that the people who want the Gov't out of their lives sooo much are the first ones to thump their chests on how the 9-11 Commission Report is the ONLY explanation.
More hypocrisy in action, folks...
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Jul 16, 2010 - 06:01pm PT
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Tony and Jolly,
we will have to agree to disagree.
as Karl says,
peace,
GOlsen PE
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 16, 2010 - 06:08pm PT
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Since there's a deliberate known cover up then the following below become suspect and can not be trusted and thus become null.
U.S. Department of Justice Inspector General report
The 9/11 Commission report
FEMA's Report
NIST's report
This is why complete independent investigations were called for ....
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 16, 2010 - 07:08pm PT
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Wow! Thanx Jolly. It's all much clearer now. It's good to hear from Bush's science advisor.
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Jul 16, 2010 - 07:43pm PT
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Yes, Jolly it is absurd.
No building is designed to halt 30 floors falling one floor. None.
In a static situation the net force is zero, or the block would fall or rise.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jul 16, 2010 - 07:58pm PT
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Look up the peer reviewed papers by Bazant. He even talks about the tilting block.
It's absurd to claim a minimum fall time of 42 seconds without even talking about accumulating mass.
As I told Tony, I didn't post the penny example. You both have focus issues. Try to concentrate.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jul 16, 2010 - 08:43pm PT
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fair enough, golsen. but since fire protection seems to be your specialty, you may want to review some of this material:
http://www.public-action.com/911/firemen.html
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one thing wrong with the "30 floors fell one floor" scenario: it didn't happen. collapse initiated in a damaged but static structure which was holding well. there was no gravity acceleration through one floor of empty space by a mythical 30 floors suddenly separated and a floor suddenly dissolved into nothingness. that would have been quite a bit of force, actually, but only a fraction of the cross section of either tower was damaged, and the towers were designed redundantly, as every good building is designed, such that remaining structure will hold damage in place.
the damage was different in each tower and each should have been affected differently--but each fell in pretty much the same way in pretty much the same astounding time.
sorry, here comes the building 7 nag gnome: building 7 also fell the same way in a similarly astounding time, and there was no airplane damage for people to imagine a giant hammering block destroying all the virtually undamaged structure beneath. building 7 merely had a couple small fires of unknown origin and some damage from falling debris as sustained by every other building in similar positions around the block and across the street from the towers. look at some of the aerials of the aftermath: everything standing tall, except that big pulverized pile of building 7.
here's a little math for you guys who love scientific formulas: three big buildings flop in an amazing manner. only two are hit by airplanes. hmm--was there another airplane somewhere that might have been intended for that? maybe something didn't quite go as planned?
monolith, i've been over the bazant material, but it's been awhile. i will endeavor to dig it up. if he's dealing with temperatures, as jolly's link seems to indicate, he's way off base. never got that hot, and all assembled evidence corroborates it.
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