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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 14, 2009 - 02:47pm PT
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You posted it Corniss, now don't Cut And Run like Shutup does.
Show your source Corniss, don't run like a little chicken.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Sep 14, 2009 - 02:52pm PT
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Ok boy's, schools back in session, clean up you room's, and you'll get your allowance.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Sep 14, 2009 - 02:53pm PT
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SENATE HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL page 62
``(ii) HIGH ACTUARIAL RISK PLANS.--
9 Using the criteria and methods developed
10 under subparagraph (B), each establishing
11 State or participating State (as defined in
12 section 3104) shall provide a payment to
13 health plans and health insurance issuers
14 (with respect to health insurance coverage)
15 described in subparagraph (C) if the actu-
16 arial risk of the enrollees of such plans or
17 coverage for a year is greater than the av-
18 erage actuarial risk of all enrollees in all
19 plans and coverage in such State for such
20 year that are not self-insured group health
21 plans (which are subject to the provisions
22 of the Employee Retirement Income Secu-
23 rity Act of 1974).
and it goes on with more of the same brain bending lawyer language. Reading it twice could cause a brain tumor.
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:04pm PT
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Do you want to admit that the steps taken this year have warded off the onset of a second great depression? His "socialist" tendencies may have averted financial disaster, but the government has already taken steps to reduce its stake in businesses that have regained solvency. not very socialist of them... The FDIC has been acting in socialist ways by taking over insolvent banks since its inception. Why does the government looking out for the interests of its electorate equal socialism to you? That is its sole job after all. There is nothing new here, it's all been going on as long as you have been on this earth. Why the sudden fear of the bogeyman?
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:05pm PT
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page 182 SENATE HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL
``(I) a State health benefits high risk pool;
7 ``(J) a health benefit plan under section
8 2504(e) of title 22, United States Code; or
9 ``(K) coverage under a qualified health
10 plan.
11 For purposes of this paragraph, an individual shall
12 be deemed to have qualifying coverage if such indi-
13 vidual is an individual described in section 1402(e)
14 or (g) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.
..translated it means you need to be rich to climb if Obama
Government Health Care passes this 'You Must Join' insurance
reform.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:05pm PT
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Good post howlostami!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:05pm PT
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Knock off the dumbass talk Jeff.
Your socialists gave the banks 900 billion one year ago.
Obama has given the US auto industry 35 billion.
Quit accusing others of being what your party IS.
Your party is the party of BIG government, your people grew
the Federal government at the fastest rate in history from
2000-2006 when your party controlled all three branches.
Your party pisses away 100 billion a year on the SOCIALIST
Medicare drug program YOUR party passed.
In fact, by your logic, your party is more COMMUNIST.
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apogee
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:07pm PT
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"..translated it means you need to be rich to climb if Obama
Government Health Care passes."
Translated it means you are a typcial Repug fool & a tool, cchopper.
Dumbsh*t.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:09pm PT
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Answer the question Corniss:
WHY shouldn't people take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY when they
choose to climb?
WHY shouldn't they have to pay more for healthcare because
they CHOOSE to engage in HIGH RISK ACTIVITY?
What are you Corniss, not "real pure" Republican?
You can't have it both ways, you either belong to the party
of "personal responsibility" or you don't.
Make up your mind what party you belong to.
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apogee
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:11pm PT
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howlostami, it can't be proven that the steps that Obama took early this year averted further disaster any more than the assertions Shrub made that the steps he took post-9/11 averted another attack. It's a pointless argument that can't be proven one way or the other, but can be endlessly spun to any ideology's whim.
Perhaps more tangible and relevant: For all of you Repug wackos ranting about oppression and loss of freedoms, can you give some specific examples of any losses you have incurred since January 20?
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:14pm PT
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Just pay for what you get. simple, Middlemen organizations are leaches (ie insurance companies) If you got to make payments
no big deal. Already have monthly house and car and endless etc payments. Paying the doctor directly has been demonstrated to reduce the cost by a huge fraction.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:18pm PT
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Oh stop it.
The worst terrorist attack on our country since Pearl Harbor
happened with Republicans controlling all three branches
of government.
It was on their watch.
They could have easily chosen to immediately order all aircraft
to have solid locking steel doors, like Israel does.
They did not take any preventive action, even when warned
that Bin Laden was "determined to attack the USA".
National security my ass, then throw in voting for Caribou Barbie...
Its no wonder only bible belt morons vote Republican.
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apogee
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:19pm PT
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"Just pay for what you get."
Jeebus H Cripes, everytime you open your mouth or type, sumthin' stooopid falls out.
Do you realize how ridiculous and unrealistic that is? So what you are suggesting is that if someone wants to buy a house or a car, they should save up their $ and buy it outright, and skip the bank 'middleman'. Everyone should save $ so that when they get in a car accident, you just pay for it- no insurance needed. Everyone should just save $ so that when you get sick or injured, you just pay the bill?
My gawd, cchopper- you can't really be that stooopid, can you?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:22pm PT
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Yes, Corniss really IS that stupid.
And so is Fatty with his pro big government communist agenda.
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:26pm PT
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Def. agree with Norton. I know a guy who used to mountaineer. Now he can't cause it's a rider in his insurance agreement. I don't know what prompted that clause, but now with kids and whatnot he's not willing to take the risk so he doesn't. It doesn't take Obama to take your climbing away, the insurance companies are already doing it.
Possibly Related and real:
Auto insurance companies keep an eye out on tuner forums to see who has been taking their new cars to race tracks... and cancelling policies based on who has been racing their street cars with their plates on...
Not too implausible future:
Post your name or pic climbing here and your health insurance provider finds out and cancels you or jacks your premiums to the roof (whether insurance company or national health, doesn't matter, you still will have premiums)
Scary, but I suppose if you wanna be in the club you gotta pay the dues...
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:26pm PT
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Hey its change we can believe in. Negotiation is an art that should be applied everywhere. If you play the fool you'll get taken every time.
more interesting reading from the SENATE BILL
``(5) RISK ADJUSTMENT PAYMENT.--
15 ``(A) ESTABLISHING AND PARTICIPATING
16 STATES.--
17 ``(i) LOW ACTUARIAL RISK PLANS.--
18 Using the criteria and methods developed
19 under subparagraph (B), each establishing
20 State or participating State (as defined in
21 section 3104) shall assess a charge on
22 health plans and health insurance issuers
23 (with respect to health insurance coverage)
24 described in subparagraph (C) if the actu-
25 arial risk of the enrollees of such plans or
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apogee
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:29pm PT
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"It doesn't take Obama to take your climbing away, the insurance companies are already doing it."
Damn skippy. I can't get life insurance to support my wife and potential family because I climb. No-one will write a policy for a climber, or if they do, the premiums are sky-high, and the payment is minimal.
Insurance Companies = Death Panels
edit: cchopper, that excerpt is so open-ended and lacks so much detail it can be interpreted and spun to anyone's interest. Ironically, that kind of language already exists in current health or life insurance policies, so that the insurance company has as much wiggle-room as possible to get out of a claim.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:30pm PT
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Answer the question Corniss:
WHY shouldn't people take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY when they
choose to climb?
WHY shouldn't they have to pay more for healthcare because
they CHOOSE to engage in HIGH RISK ACTIVITY?
What are you Corniss, not "real pure" Republican?
You can't have it both ways, you either belong to the party
of "personal responsibility" or you don't.
Make up your mind what party you belong to.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:30pm PT
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Answer the question Corniss:
WHY shouldn't people take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY when they
choose to climb?
WHY shouldn't they have to pay more for healthcare because
they CHOOSE to engage in HIGH RISK ACTIVITY?
What are you Corniss, not "real pure" Republican?
You can't have it both ways, you either belong to the party
of "personal responsibility" or you don't.
Make up your mind what party you belong to.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:32pm PT
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Why won't any Republicans admit they are the party of BIG government?
Don't they know that big government can't solve all their problems?
What a bunch of cut and run pussies.
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