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rick sumner
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reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Aug 19, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
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The facts, Ed, speak for themselves. The character assassination, career destruction, exclusion from publication, the derision, all originated from the CAGW side towards those that dare question the holy grail. Well, the dire predictions have failed to materialize, the scientists pursuing alternative explanation given voice, the public is awakened, and now the calamity Joe's and Jane's cry foul when getting back their own medication.
The surest way to destruction of our environment is to follow the radical deconstruction of our energy mix as laid out by the more rabid amongst the enviro's. If your spokespeople would have been a little calmer, rational, and compromising in their policy recommendations a slow but steady change could have been accomplished. Look what's happening in Europe, the grid is often near collapse, the people are in revolt, the economy is suffering partly because manufacturing is moving to parts of the world with lesser costs. Not much pollution has been averted it has just transferred elsewhere. Here, we are awash in good, clean, cheap energy right underfoot in the old industrial heartland where it is most needed. Already, because of substitution od NG for coal for a good part of power generation, the "dreaded CO2" emissions have been reduced to 1990 levels-by far the world's largest reduction even compared to those signatory to the Kyota Protocols. With the full embrace of natural gas, nuclear, hydro, geothermal and R&D for other real renewables that actually work, this stupid CO2 scare would fade away with the now cooling climate.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Aug 19, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
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Well yes of course the USA could be the world leader in
solar panel manufacturing if we were not hobbled by
some silly laws from using slave labor to make them.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Aug 19, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
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Right Malemute, invention, innovation, discovery-the great tradition of science and not the countless heads now up the as#@&%e of doom.
Abrams good post. In addition to those two volcano's there is another thirty currently erupting on every continent on Earth. This doesn't even count those undersea on the 70% of the planet we cannot see. How will they blame this on AGW?
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 19, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
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Go swallow a donkey dong, rick abrams and chief.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Aug 19, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
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Cheer up dirtsack.
Just think of all that Idaho forest fire soot landing
on the glaciers in Montana and Canada, accelerating melt off, and giving
AGW fanatics proof that the deep ocean is warming up, or something equally as
non-scary.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Aug 19, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
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If you are so dead-set against "science", might I suggest you eliminate all the science-created things from your life? Please start with your computer.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Aug 20, 2013 - 12:31am PT
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Any outside observer is going to conclude that the deniers are not just uneducated sociopaths, but that they are batshit crazy!
a ring a ding ding!
which is really good for the educated side of the discussion. Nothing like looking like an ignorant fool to undermine the already tenuous position you already blindly support.
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monolith
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SF bay area
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Aug 20, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
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No chief. Not all climate papers state pro or con. Most of these are just reporting results to fill in the details of climate dynamics.
The 97% is for those papers that do take a position.
Is it necessary for papers today to take up positions on whether the earth is round or not? If they don't, do you assume they think the earth is flat or undecided?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Aug 20, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
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In the scientific field of climate studies – which is informed by many different disciplines – the consensus is demonstrated by the number of scientists who have stopped arguing about what is causing climate change – and that’s nearly all of them. A survey of 928 peer-reviewed abstracts on the subject 'global climate change' published between 1993 and 2003 shows that not a single paper rejected the consensus position that global warming is man caused (Oreskes 2004).
A follow-up study by the Skeptical Science team of over 12,000 peer-reviewed abstracts on the subjects of 'global warming' and 'global climate change' published between 1991 and 2011 found that of the papers taking a position on the cause of global warming, over 97% agreed that humans are causing it (Cook 2013). The scientific authors of the papers were also contacted and asked to rate their own papers, and again over 97% whose papers took a position on the cause said humans are causing global warming.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Aug 20, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
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Well duh. 67% took no position and were reporting results. There's lots of study on how climate dynamics work. No need to state a position.
Scientists don't argue about whether the earth is round or not either.
Do ya really think they are fence sitters?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Aug 20, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
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Bullsh#t.
If a scientist in Antarctica is reporting data gathered in an experiment, he's not expected to give an opinion on AGW, he's just reporting results.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Aug 20, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
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^^what an idiot^^
You mean Spencer and Christy et all won't take up a position when they publish a peer reviewed paper?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Aug 20, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
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Bullsh#t
They are there to gather data in the study of climate change.
No need for them to state a position in every paper.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Aug 20, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
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I wonder how many of the scientists mentioned in the following link are counted as among the 97.1% consensus? I know of at least five other scientists from another source who were falsely counted as part of the consensus. One of them had 111 of his papers falsely attributed.
http://www.petitionproject.org/
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Aug 20, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
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A follow-up study by the Skeptical Science team of over 12,000 peer-reviewed abstracts on the subjects of 'global warming' and 'global climate change' published between 1991 and 2011 found that of the papers taking a position on the cause of global warming, over 97% agreed that humans are causing it (Cook 2013). The scientific authors of the papers were also contacted and asked to rate their own papers, and again over 97% whose papers took a position on the cause said humans are causing global warming.
They rated their own papers in the followup study, Lord Sumner.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Aug 21, 2013 - 02:16am PT
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Lots of road building up in the Arctic these days on top of permafrost.
If the road surface is made with light colored material rather than black
asphalt an entire meter of ground stays frozen that would otherwise melt
and have to be dealt with.
Adaptation will not be allowed if the AGW tards have their way.
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 21, 2013 - 09:08am PT
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That word "COULD" is indeed the basis of the AGW hysteria
Chief Hypocrite, you're the one who is the most hysterical on this thread.
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