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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Do any of you smart guys know of a way to reverse the climate change?
If not, we're better off directing our resources toward dealing with the consequences of a changing climate.
Either way, it needs to be done quickly.
Me, I'd like it if it were warmer around here. Maybe my avocados wouldn't freeze so often.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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So what do you do, Monolith? Reverse it? Or adjust to it?
We have to choose, and we need to do it quickly.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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You do what you can, Chaz. If reducing the growth of CO2 emissions now will reduce the potential impact in the future, then that sounds like a reasonable thing to do.
Why do you make it a choice of one or the other?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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^^And you are certain there won't be severe impacts? Do ya mind if we study the problem?^^
If we can keep man from causing the next worldwide catastrophe, we should try.
If nature wants to cause one in a few million years, fine.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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So Ron, you don't accept the simple fact that humans are warming the planet?
Why?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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And we continue to learn more and more. Is that ok with you?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Are all the questions answered yet, Chief?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Did someone say "pause"?
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dirtbag
climber
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I'm sure all your John Bircher, black-helicopter fearing, jackalope stuffing buddies find that hilarious.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Good one, Ron!
Reminds me of the bible belt tea-bagger Foxbot who spent his life eating junk food and swilling beer, ending up morbidly obese. One day he found himself out of work because his boss was downsizing and there was no union to protect the workers' interests.
Guy gets all depressed and ends up having a heart attack. Goes to the hospital to get treated, but finds out that his health insurance has denied his claim based on a pre-existing condition (obesity). Too bad he pushed so hard to get affordable healthcare reversed. He might've lived.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Aug 14, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
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This thread needs a bump so here is my mini-rant on the subject:
I have seen global warming with my own eyes in the mountains throughout my life. It is clear to me. How others refuse to see it, I cannot duplicate.
However, I strongly disagree with cap & trade. It is not a good solution because it does not go far enough. Companies buying the right to pollute is insane.
We need to find a way to make transportation and products that do not pollute. We need to work together globally to live clean and sustainably even with a population of tens of billions.
If you remove the human global warming factors, geologists tell us the next Ice Age is not due for another 50,000 years, so things could get warmer anyway.
Live clean or die.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Aug 14, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
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whats up Spider?
Say you do an experiment to prove global warming to us all.
Place 2 regular ice cubes out in the sun. Sprinkle black soot from your
fireplace on top one of them. Now the one with the soot will melt faster
thus proving the atmosphere has gotten warmer due to all the extra CO2 in
it.
It that logical?
or
http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2012/08/climate-black-carbon-cause-glacier-melt-china
Although I think pollution falling onto glaciers is the sole cause of
accelerated melting. Not a secondary as the writers of this article has
to include to appease the jack booted global warmists.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Aug 15, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
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The Chief and Burchy highjacking another thread with irrelevant ice climbing discussions...how useful. So how do you like those tools compared to BD Cobras? Seems like Cobras could do everything from hard ice to mixed to alpine. And are light...
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 18, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
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SOOOO-OK
science brought us the fire breathing engines. And now science is telling us their ruining the planet. Didn't they know that 60 yrs ago? So who's to blame, the addict or the dealer?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Aug 18, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
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What's wrong Bruce? Are you a little bored in your flood plain trailer park? Wander next door, your tweaker neighbors are probably "cooking".
Just a controlled leak draft to gauge public sentiment. Yawn.
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 18, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
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SOOOO-OK
science brought us the fire breathing engines. And now science is telling us their ruining the planet. Didn't they know that 60 yrs ago? So who's to blame, the addict or the dealer?
That's deep.
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