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monolith
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SF bay area
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Then he is a scientist.
Sociology has an important role in this problem, since humans will need to be convinced and humans will decide and implement solutions.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Yes Bruce, large scale development of hydro in your native B.C. would be a good start but never allowed by the enviro community. You would see a shet storm of lawsuits. And even if all CO2 emissions immediately ceased I've heard tell the temps would only be reduced a small fraction of a degree. So, what to you? Come on guys, come out and tell us.
Is physics done, are all mathematics problems described and solved?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Then climate change isn't happening.
Good news, Ron.
Do you understand the difference between weather and climate?
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Is there a difference between weather and climate?
We see that the weather changes all the time and the climate change scare freaks demand we believe that the climate is changing so 'NO', there is no difference between climate and weather. Both change.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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You're just flat out wrong, Dave.
Weather is what happens right now. Climate refers to overall trends.
I swear, I'm trying to be a nice person.
It's simply difficult, given the attitudes of people that think everything is ok.
All this negativity, why?
Why not listen objectively?
I listen to your arguments objectively.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Weather and Climate change at far different rates, Dave.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
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Ah step 4 - my cause is holier than thou.
Beautiful Dingus! My, how shifty are those in denial.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
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KMAN, I got ten bucks says you smoked cigs. In fact if you did, that answers everything.
Nope, never was a smoker. You can PayPal me the $10, if you're a man of your word.
However, in lieu of sending me $10, please describe to me how my having had cancer answers anything in regards to your asinine premise that science has done nothing to help cancer patients.
Of all the dumb things you've said, that one in particular is a doozy.
In reality, I have no expectation that you will 1) send me $10, or 2) address your silly claim. More than likely, you will shift away from the subject altogether. But that's OK, we all already know how foolish you, a grown man, can be.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Ok Bruce, lets have a talk about temp increase and CO2. It is generally agreed that the anthropogenic CO2 contribution is 3-6% percent of the atmospheric content. So, where is the other 94-97% percent coming from? There has been a fair amount of work done on samplings from ice cores, lake and ocean sediments, tree rings, etc etc. That work has revealed a lag between CO2 increase and temp increase. One of those nagging problems of the CAGW camp. Despite their best efforts, the mainstream science still shows temp increases first followed by CO2 increase. Of course, some will cite a paper here or there, but the overwhelming body of work shows what I have said above. So, does it not follow that if you want to reduce CO2 levels the best way to do so is to decrease temps. Fortunately we do have on the shelf technology to accomplish this. The oceans can be fertilized with iron to increase biotic production of DMS which stimulates cloud production and reflects more sunlight, or stimulate terrestrial plant which increased atmospheric CO2 content does naturally-by some estimates currently increased 10-12%. Another method is to introduce reflective aerosols into the troposphere via small reconfigurations of jet engines on the commercial, military and passenger fleets-yes the dreaded chem trails. Still another is to allow or expand particulate pollution as China is now doing. All this can be accomplished at a tiny fraction of the cost of a ruinous carbon tax. But then again, why do it if CO2 follows temp increase- is it not natural? Did you look into information on the current solar cycle 24 and the predictions ( which are following closely Livingston and Penns work) for forthcoming cycles?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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There are simple answers to your questions, Rick. You should pursue them.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Bruce I am sorry you cower in self enforced ignorance. There is a tremendous amount of information out there, many, many peer reviewed research papers. Though some of it is highly technical mathematics, most of it includes verbal explanation that is easily understood. You owe it to yourself to try to self educate before you launch criticism and impugn the motives of others.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Hateful, disrespectful responses are only hurting your credibility, Chief
Edit; Were you ever considered credible before you started hurling childish words, or have you always just been someone who throws tantrums? Most of us grew out of that phase when we were around three years old.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Really? When have I ever thrown expletives at you?
Lets get it back on topic.
Climate change is real. Ignoring this is a detriment to all of humanity, as those who deny this simple fact stall proposed regulations that try to help counter our negative affect on our environment.
Why shouldn't we try to be stewards of our beautiful world, rather than pillagers?
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abrams
Sport climber
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The ridiculous global warming story has a particular scifi
signature to it these days. Most of it skips any reasoning of
the false premise of CO2 and gets right into
doom and gloom language of climate disasters happening everywhere.
Probably in your town and how you are a victim but don't know it yet!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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So professor, are you saying their is a limit to the amount of infrared backscatter radiation CO2 can absorb, then it self destructs, the same with any molecular formation including all recognized GHG's. Well then, what happens to the released radiation at this point, is it directed downwards against the stream of upcoming radiation or does it conduct upwards to be absorbed by cooler body's. Just trying to learn here, thankyou.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Ok thanks Ed. I will digest this material for awhile, searching for the proper way re-ask my poorly phrased question. It is something that has been nagging the back recesses of my atrophying brain for some time now. No, I was self propelled at that date-and you?
Bruce-where the hell are you on mitigation and solar studies?
Chief, i'm glad I don't have you as a foe. You are a fierce and tireless warrior.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Well, I was going to work on modifying house plans for the remainder of the evening but this post from Bruce begs an answer. I would be a little insulted if I didn't know that Bruce gets most of his psycho babble b.s. from Grist.org-how to talk to a skeptical. It's immediately apparent, follows the script with a little customization. In fact, most of the idiots hurling insults on this thread brainlessly take their cues from sites such as the link below.
http://grist.org/series/skeptics/
Take a good look at it guys. Pathetic! Bruce, be my guest, mindlessly follow the "experts" for the rest of your life. By the chip you exhibit on your shoulder, I can see it has not worked, most of the time, so far to your satisfaction-moron.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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You know, anything you say, or present, can and will be used against you. But, so much for the three ring circus tonight. Thanks.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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One more comment and that is it for me tonight. The way the Chief absolutely shreds you morons is some of the best comedy I've witnessed-ever.LMAO
You are a lousy liar Bruce-go to another website for fresh material. You're boring us.
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