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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 13, 2009 - 04:52pm PT
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Racism is a conservative trait, not D or R (and not all conservatives). D's used to be the conservative party. Starting in the 60s, R's became the conservatives.
The Southern Startegy was about pulling those old dixiecrat haters into the R tent. They're part of your party now, TGT. In fact, the R party is now pretty much a southern party.
How do you explain the current trend of Democrat (liberal) pandering towards the race card. Do you really think they give a crap other than getting their vote?
At least conservatives ethos dicatates than ANYONE should be left to seek their own destiny, whether it's mediocrity or fortune. It's all to you and how hard you want to pursue it!
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apogee
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Sep 13, 2009 - 05:06pm PT
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"Do you really think they give a crap other than getting their vote? "
No, I don't- that's the bottom line for either party, no doubt about it. But that's just the political aspect of it.
What's more pertinent is how racism is actually acted upon and played out in a political party and their leadership. Right now, at this point in time, the GOP has made itself the old white people party.
Take a look at some of the pictures that TGT posted today from yesterday's demonstrations:
See much diversity there? Me either. This is today's Repugs- extremist, and white. Nothing racist about that statement- it's a fact.
Edit: Ironically, this demonstration took place in a city with one of the highest percentages of blacks in the entire country. Apparently they didn't hear about the event, or they were checked at the door, or they know damn well that the Repug party has nothing to offer them but a bunch of BS.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 13, 2009 - 05:13pm PT
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"The GOP is a tolerant, big tent, party."
HWD/Lois yesterday
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 13, 2009 - 05:14pm PT
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Republicans and conservatives are constantly called racist, with no facts proffered, only solipsisms like "racism is a conservative trait".
Meanwhile anyone who can read can assemble a syllabus of institutional racialism that is a foundation of the Democratic party.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 13, 2009 - 05:21pm PT
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"I guess if you tell yourself a lie long enough you'll eventually believe it.
The 64 voting rights act passed in spite of Democrats. "
Uh...Goldwater ran on a segregationist platform in 1962, which turned the South from solid blue to solid red for over 40 years. If you read my posts you'd see that I said that Democrats had done a better job cleaning up their act, which is pretty obvious from the simple demographics of the parties today, not that they were immune to the problem.
"Republicans and conservatives are constantly called racist, with no facts proffered, only solipsisms like "racism is a conservative trait". "
A generalization to be sure and incorrect to boot but it only takes a slightly critical eye and a little sniffing in your back yard to find out why these are made.
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apogee
climber
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Sep 13, 2009 - 05:28pm PT
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TGT, look at your own feckin' pictures, bud.
That's who your party is these days. Lily-white, predominantly male, just like you and bluering.
That's where the rubber hits the road, in Washington DC, of all places.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 13, 2009 - 05:36pm PT
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TGT, look at your own feckin' pictures, bud.
That's who your party is these days. Lily-white, predominantly male, just like you and bluering.
Again, because you don't see 'negroes' or 'latinos', it's a lily white event!
Look deeper and stop judging everything by color. Because you see no 'coloreds' there, it's illegitimate and a KKK-fest? I'd love for you to meet a conservative 'colored'. That'd be rich.
Who's the racist?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 13, 2009 - 05:42pm PT
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"Again, because you don't see 'negroes' or 'latinos', it's a lily white event!
Look deeper and stop judging everything by color. "
Hahahahahahaha!!!
Guys! We have diversity! We have both western AND eastern europeans!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 13, 2009 - 05:56pm PT
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"When the NYT cannot tell its front page from its editorial page, THEREIN lies the problem."
Indeed, cite some examples. The NYT has an excellent news division, as does the WSJ. Their editorial pages are decidedly left and right leaning respectively and they both work very hard to keep the established norm of a "firewall" between their news and opinion pages.
The biases they both DO hold (as do most large media outlets) involve laziness, eagerness to not get scooped, fear of offending their corporate owners/sponsors and things like that. This is why all the mainstream papers in America are consistently pro-capitalism and generally hold the status quo.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 13, 2009 - 06:14pm PT
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Yes I read them and I think it's pretty hilarious that you think covering a mind-blowing story like Abu Ghraib is in and of itself a "biased" thing to do. Also you seem to be forgetting the lengthy and in depth reporting that the NYT did in the lead up to the Iraq war that helped lay the groundwork and beat the drum for the US invading in the first place. How about the post-911 coverage of what a sexy manhunk Rumsfeld was? Or about Bush and Guliani's efforts to appear strong and calm in the face of the tragedy?
I think the real problem is that a outfit like the NYT tries to report actual STORIES. When those stories don't show the people that we like in a positive light, we decide that they are BIASED instead of perhaps simply INFORMATIVE.
Have you seen the number of stories in the NYT about how gay rights groups are upset with Obama? Or about how Obama's administration isn't coming through with a lot of the transparency reform that was expected post-Bush? Etc etc etc. I'm pretty sure that doesn't make the front page "biased" or "anti-Obama." It's just INFORMATION.
Oh hey remember that one time when the NYT covered that whole thing about Clinton and an intern for YEARS and YEARS? Was that biased?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 13, 2009 - 06:25pm PT
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I want an explanation as why the GOP is a "tolerant, big tent party".
How about backing up your "opinion" with the facts you sifted
through first to help you arrive at that statement.
HWD/Lois?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 13, 2009 - 06:28pm PT
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Now, now Norton. That is their opinion out of their own head that they have not heard from any external source before and if you are expecting them to do some lengthy research and write a paper on it I'm sorry that simply isn't going to happen. If you don't want to believe them then there isn't anything they can do about that. ;-D
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 13, 2009 - 06:39pm PT
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It's funny listening to conservatives talk about racism.
Oh yeah, that sh#t ended in the 60s with civil rights legislation.
LOL!!!!!!!
The truth is, racism is about preserving the status quo. The segregationists wanted to ensure that white social dominance, power, and prevailing norms continued.
That IS a conservative impulse.
They lost, but for many, those sentiments are still there. (Except for the fact that sh#t magically ended in the 60s)
And those guys went somewhere politically. They gave up on the Dems as the party drifted solidly leftward, and some of the more liberal Repubs. Hmmmm...so where did they all go?
Nowadays, most of those clowns are too PC use the N-word, but you'll see dog-whistling all around from them. State's rights....welfare queens...anti-immigrant...anti-Muslim...xenophobia...there are plenty of "Thems" to scapegoat.
Michael Savage, for example: racist to the core.
Or you can see it in displacement behavior. Beck, limbaugh etc. saying Obama hates white people. I guess he hates his mother.
Yeah, you guys are funny, though a bit dishonest sometimes.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Sep 13, 2009 - 06:49pm PT
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Now what might happen if we institute the game plan of those demonstrators, or all right wingers who think the country has lost it's direction and will "slide into the abyss of socialism." What do we do, according to the right wingers, and where might we find outselves?
We start by scaling government WAY back, not only in services offered (Medicade sh#t canned, same with Social Security, welfare, et al), but in regulations and oversight boards, so the country can be run and regulated by those who have all the brains and wherewithal: the "people." Since the government cannot be trusted, we shift most of our trust over to the business and manufacturing sectors as well as the financial sectors. Again, government cannot be trusted, but these institutions can.
We stop every bailout, let every morgage and bank and institution fail (covering NO ONE who might lose since these are not government outfits and therefore are not the government's responsibility. The bank goes under, you lose your dough. Period. Just like with the stock market.)
We also stop immediately any talk or plan for universal healthcare, and also stop the government from paying for services of anyone who gets ill and has no insurance. Let the "free market" sort out the healthcare situation, and those other folks can just "get a job." There is nothing in the constitution about universal health care, so it is not the goverjnment's job to pay for ANY healh care. They would only set up death panels and let you die anyhow, so we're no worse off, right. What's more, we can't give deadbeats anything without stealing their ambition - everyone knows that. And you have no right trying to make ME pay for your healtcare. F*#k you. Get a job. Or die. Not my problem. You are responsible for yourself. The government is not a parent.
We also immediately cut taxes by some really appreciable amount - like twenty to forty percent. States like California will simply have to adhere to a budget and not provide the needless services and pork programs that are pushing the state into bankruptcy.
We start by slashing the government payroll by twenty percent and reducing saleries much as saleries are being reduced in the private sector. Government employees (prison guards, road crews, court officials, Highway Patrol, sanitation and sewage, et al) can take it - or leave it. Schools will just have to get by somehow. We'll probably have to cut out all sports, art, music, and social sciences, and get back to the basics of spelling and old-style math, as well as a little bible study. American was built on the bible. Don't forget it or we'll all die.
Also, becaused there will be even less - actually far less money for the government to spend, we will efficiently withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan and slash military spending by half.
Being government funded, the military will simply have to shirk with the shrinking tax revenue.
We will also need to scale back on teachers, police and fire personal, leaning the recent forest fires to simply burn themselves out, which is the natural order of things.
Am I on the true path here right wingers??
JL
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apogee
climber
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Sep 13, 2009 - 07:10pm PT
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"Again, because you don't see 'negroes' or 'latinos', it's a lily white event!"
Umm, yeah, Captain Obvious Bluering, that's exactly what it looks like
Why don't you see a nice blend of blacks, latinos, asians in those pics- why don't you see much of anything besides old, white mostly men? In Washington, DC, of all places, where anglos mostly hang out with the Repubs under that big, white dome?
Because it's a lily-white event!
bluesh#t, for someone who's travelled a little bit, your mind has remained remarkably hillbilly.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 13, 2009 - 07:11pm PT
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Yes Largo, you are!
And then watch unemployment soar to 25%, watch the stock
market CRASH and trillions of dollars of American's 401Ks
and lifetime savings go down even more than the Republican
recession wiped them out in 2008.
But cheer up, less government is always better!
because government is the "problem"
One trillion dollars for Iraq, but NO to 25 billion to General
Motors.
It's NOT socialism when Bush gives 900 BILLION one year ago
to bail out the investment banks, but it IS socialism to
try to save the US auto industry for the cost of three months in Iraq.
OH MY, talk about a distorted "world view" !!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 13, 2009 - 07:37pm PT
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Problem: 50 million uninsured people are costing the rest of us a lot of money in higher taxes, insurance premiums and lost productivity.
Republican Solution: Blame illegal immigrants and do nothing.
Problem: The 250 million of us who HAVE insurance are constantly at risk of losing that insurance because of job loss or simply because we get sick and cost our insurance companies too much money. Also, we repeatedly have care denied that we thought was covered because of technicalities or flat out lies on the part of our insurers.
Republican Solution: Scream about the free market and a corporation's right to make money and do nothing.
Problem: Health care costs are going way, way up even though many of the extra cash we spend does not make us any healthier. The system is fraught with waste and abuse, as well as poorly structured payment systems that reward redundancy and ensure profits based on doing procedures to chronically sick people instead of rewarding hospitals and doctors when they help people get healthy again or keep them from getting sick in the first place.
Republican Solution: Scream about the slippery slope to socialism and how our "rights" and "way of life" is being infringed upon and do nothing.
If I'm wrong here guys then fill in the blanks. These are real problems that require REAL solutions. If you are serious about DEFICIT REDUCTION then you should be very concerned about this issue. It's easy to be obstructionist and oppose issues for political reasons via demagoguery. It's a lot harder to come up with workable solutions.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Sep 13, 2009 - 07:44pm PT
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Well what ever goes down were going to have to live with it for a long time because things don't change quick. Look at the auto industry we should have saw it coming. Still playing videos and eight trac's
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 13, 2009 - 08:01pm PT
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bluering- Yes....mad about WHAT exactly is the question. I see lots of misdirected emotion about stuff that people don't seem to understand. Just being mad for the sake of being mad isn't as righteous as people seem to think it is.
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