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rotten johnny
Social climber
mammoth lakes, ca
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Sep 13, 2009 - 02:26pm PT
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a quote from one of ronald reagans cabinet members and former head of nasa..." intelligence is useless if one has no judgement...obviously howie dean is very intelligent when it comes to talking in cryptic circles but displays poor judgement by voting for mccain who during the campaign said our economy is sound....obama has his faults but saying there is nothing wrong with the economy , as mccain so cluelessly stated , is a good example of using bad judgement....basing political decisions on fear and emotion emanating from billionaire schock-jocks doesn't seem like a smart way to proceed and lowers the intelligence level of critical political debate.....how many hard routes would have been done with rush or glen beck standing at the base of the route attempting to scare off climbers....? to all rush supporters and tea baggers.....try getting a pair and think for yourself... .rotten johnny
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apogee
climber
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Sep 13, 2009 - 02:28pm PT
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"You have to go to a British paper to find a story."
Not exactly.
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Washington Post- front page
Lashing Out at the Capitol
Tens of Thousands Protest Obama Initiatives and Government Spending
By Emma Brown, James Hohmann and Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 13, 2009
Tens of thousands of conservative protesters, many complaining that the nation is racing toward socialism, massed outside the U.S. Capitol on Saturday, angrily denouncing President Obama's health-care plan and other initiatives as threats to the Constitution.
New York Times- front page, Politics
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/us/politics/13protestweb.html
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Media bias, my ass.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Sep 13, 2009 - 02:32pm PT
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Boy, that Washington DC fandango sure brought together a whole slew of aging, straight, white protestants. Seems that socialist, foreign-born, pinko negro president is starting to really get under their skin.
Good for their character. Stretch them out a bit.
JL
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 13, 2009 - 02:45pm PT
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Hey TGT the only thing missing was the Klan sheets.
You guys are idiots..
Yep, and ignorant of their own history.
Only one major political party has ever had an official terrorist wing.
The Democrats with their KKK operatives.
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apogee
climber
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Sep 13, 2009 - 02:48pm PT
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That's funny, I've always kinda thought of the Shrub-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz-Rove Klan as quite the GOP terrorist group...
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 13, 2009 - 02:55pm PT
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A bunch of angry white people from entitlement states...you have to love the irony of it all.
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apogee
climber
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Sep 13, 2009 - 03:00pm PT
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"A bunch of angry white people from entitlement states..."
Any guesses how many of them are on Medicare?
Or taking Social Security?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 13, 2009 - 03:00pm PT
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Why is it that only you lefties focus on the Prez's color of skin?
Negro? I never said that. Largo. It's always the lefties who focus on peoples' skin color. Think about it!
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Sep 13, 2009 - 03:08pm PT
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yes indeed ..very deep kimchi. (always liked that phrase).
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apogee
climber
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Sep 13, 2009 - 03:09pm PT
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"You (and I) on the other hand are "stupid," "brainless" and "mind controlled" so then (in that case) it is NOT OK."
Actually, I know and have great respect for several people who are lifelong Repubs, and who have a level of intelligence I aspire to.
I would even consider the likes of bluering & HWD to be intelligent- just misdirected, that's all.
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shut up and pull
climber
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Sep 13, 2009 - 03:23pm PT
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A REPORT FROM THE MASSIVE ANTI-OBAMA/SOCIALIST TEA PARTY YESTERDAY:
It was a very civil crowd, and a very large one. We probably talked with 100 people, plus or minus. From all over the country. I recall talking with folks from California, Oregon, Montana, Texas, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Arkansas, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine, North Carolina, South Carolina, Connecticut, and New Jersey, not to mention assorted "locals" from Virginia, Maryland, and DC.
There were many, many signs, and I'd say that 95% + were hand made. The slogans ran the gamut, but most were on the general theme of spending and government intervention is out of control, we can't afford it, we're scared by where Obama is trying to take the country, and the like. Certainly, there were also signs against abortion, for gun ownership, and assorted signs about support for the military (we didn't fight WW2 for "socialism"), but the proportion on the issue of big government out of control was very high, on the order of 90% or close to it I'd venture.
It was interesting talking with the wide variety of people there. Quite a few came as part of groups, but we encountered more who had come on their own -- driving from California or Michigan or Texas, not to mention closer by. There were no production line signs or masses of folks in identical tee shirts. And we found that the people we met were generally well educated and articulate, and they had been paying attention to the issues.
They weren't just there to shout slogans (although if prompted by speakers many of them would from time to time). They cared deeply about what they perceive as a sudden and dramatic lurch to the far left, an across the board and very aggressive move by the administration to seize and centralize more power than ever before in Washington and to make Americans more dependent than ever before on the federal government. It was clear many there had been very concerned about spending under Bush, and were now alarmed all the more.
Quite a few of the signs were about health care, and "reading the bill." Several folks remarked -- and a few signs hit this point -- how incensed they were that their elected representatives had not bothered to read the legislation, and were shown to be flat wrong in their general statements about it when read passages of the actual bill in town hall meetings. These folks were watching, and it's easy to see why so many Senators and Representatives chose to duck instead of engaging the issues with their constituents.
One other phenomenon: Joe Wilson was a hero today. Not I think, that the crowd generally approved of intemperate outbursts (I don't, and Wilson himself said the same in apologizing for his shout), but there is clearly very widespread sentiment to the effect that the President and his administration have not been candid with the public, especially about the health care legislation. So, there were numerous "thank you Joe Wilson" signs.
It should not be necessary to say this, but given a particularly partisan segment I just watched on CNN, I will: There was not a trace of "race" in all of this. It was all about the substantive issues. And, although the race card is now shamefully being played more and more aggressively by many speaking for the administration, it's ludicrous when you think about it. Would people be less concerned if Hillary were in office and moving forcefully to take over the health care industry even before the auto and financial sectors are fully digested? Or, marching on DC to protest if a Michael Steele sort were in the oval office implementing conservative policies? Of course not.
I'm very glad we went. We did not return thinking naively that these "tea parties" will lead to a sea change in the balance of political power, but it is heartening to see that many Americans are watching and willing to say out loud that they do not like what they see. Many remarked that the 2010 elections will be very important. We consistently advised people they had better start working for their candidates right now, and hope that the "ground game" of the opposition will be a lot better than it was in the lackluster McCain campaign. (Also, many signs reflected concern about and disdain for ACORN, which is hardly surprising given this week's news about that organization's characteristics.)
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shut up and pull
climber
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Sep 13, 2009 - 03:27pm PT
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Congressman Mike Pence delivered these remarks to the crowd at the National Tea Party here in Washington, DC.
I am Mike Pence. I am from Indiana, and it is an honor to welcome the largest gathering of conservatives in American history to your nation's capitol.
There are some politicians who think of you people as astroturf. Un-American. I've got to be honest with you, after nine years of fighting runaway spending here on this hill, you people look like the cavalry to me.
We stand together at a historic moment in the life of the conservative movement and in the life of this great country. The coming weeks and months may well set the course for this nation for a generation. How we as conservatives respond to these challenges, could determine whether America retains her place in the world as a beacon of freedom or whether we slip into the abyss that has swallowed much of Europe in an avalanche of socialism.
While some are prepared to write the obituary on capitalism and the conservative movement, I believe we are on the verge of a great American awakening. And it will begin here and begin now and begin with you.
This Administration and this Congress are getting a badly needed history lesson, starting with just what our founders meant by 'consent of the governed.' If silence is consent, it is now revoked.
We the people, do not consent to runaway federal spending. We the people, do not consent to the notion that we can borrow and spend and bail our way back to a growing America. And we the people, do not consent to government-run insurance that will cause millions of Americans to lose the insurance they have, and that will lead us to a government takeover of health care in this nation.
This week, the president came to this hill and he gave one more speech about the same bad plan. Mr. President, America doesn't want another speech, we want another health care plan that is built on freedom.
And we the people, do not consent to Members of Congress passing thousand-page bills without anybody ever reading them. Members of Congress should be required to read ever major bill that Congress adopts. I've got to be honest with you, I think Members of Congress should read major bills, but I'd be just as happy if some of them read this just a little more often - the Constitution of the United States.
You know, there is a lot of good stuff in there and it reminds us that we are a nation led by the people, and not the elites and the bureaucrats and the politicians. It reminds us that the powers not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution are reserved to the states or to the people.
And nowhere in our Constitution can you find the word 'czar.' It is time Washington, D.C. became a No Czar Zone.
The American people are not happy. But it is not just about dollars and cents. It is about who we are as a nation.
As Ronald Reagan said in 1964, it's about whether 'we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.' My money is on the American people. My money is on freedom. My money is on the future.
This great national Capitol is filled with memorials to freedom's heroes. Americans whose faces are carved in bronze, whose names adorn monuments, and just across that river, lie the remains of Americans who paid freedom's price so we could gather here today. In their time, they did freedom's work as citizens and patriots. Now it's our turn.
Let us do as those great Americans we remember in this city have done before: let us stand and fight for freedom. And if we hold the banner of freedom high, I believe with all my heart that the good and great people of this country will rally to our cause, we will take this Congress back in 2010 and we will take this Country back in 2012, so help us God.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Sep 13, 2009 - 03:27pm PT
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Warbler - I'd say its evolved into a contest of who can ridicule the other side most effectively (without using 4 letter words).
In this era the Web makes us all 'messengers' who luckily are not subject to being killed for bringing bad news.
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shut up and pull
climber
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Sep 13, 2009 - 03:29pm PT
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Hey libs, Dems, Republicans, etc. -- you better wake up. The TEA party movement has just begun, and it will be a major force in the upcoming elections.
All you GOPers who think big spending is somehow consistent with conservative principles? -- you are going DOWN.
And all you Dems who think that your socialism will go unnoticed? Better get ready ...
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 13, 2009 - 03:31pm PT
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Funny but it was Runny Raygun who started using the Czar label. And it is the right wing(nut) media talking heads who keep using it.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Sep 13, 2009 - 03:32pm PT
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Is today the day?...10k
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