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apogee
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Aug 11, 2010 - 02:43am PT
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You insist on seeing the Prop 8 issue as a moral and religious issue, don't you, bluering? What do you think about the fact that this has nothing to do with the way the Constitution was written?
Don't tell me you think the Constitution is....WRONG????
What are you...some kind of COMMIE-SOCIALIST-PINKO-FASCIST????
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 11, 2010 - 02:47am PT
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I look forward to Roberts and his supremes wriggling on this one, and on health care.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 11, 2010 - 02:47am PT
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Well.
Just read the last 3 pages of this thread.
Felt a lot like driving a powerdrill into my balls.
all i can say is it is better to close your mouth and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
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apogee
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Aug 11, 2010 - 02:50am PT
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"I look forward to Roberts and his supremes wriggling on this one, and on health care."
Ya, me too, except that there is a reasonable chance the SCOTUS will turn the Prop 8 issue back to the CA SC as a states-rights issue. This one's too hot to handle for Roberts.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 11, 2010 - 10:02am PT
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Jim E
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away
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Aug 11, 2010 - 10:16am PT
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Cool, he can call it a Jim Crow marriage.
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Jim E
climber
away
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Aug 11, 2010 - 10:33am PT
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Same sex couples must move to the back of the bus.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Aug 11, 2010 - 12:04pm PT
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Your secret is safe with us, Bluering. :-)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/homophobic-then-youre-pro_b_158516.html
Professor Henry Adams at the University of Georgia conducted a major study in the 1990s, where he took several groups of men who identified as heterosexual and expressed hostility to gays, and wired them up so the blood flow to their penises could be monitored. He then showed them gay porn -- and some 80 percent became aroused. He concluded that since "most homophobes demonstrate significant sexual arousal to homosexual erotic stimuli", anti-gay hatred is probably "a form of latent homosexuality."
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Jim E
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away
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Aug 11, 2010 - 12:16pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 11, 2010 - 09:12pm PT
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8.11.2010
CNN Poll is First To Show Majority Support for Gay Marriage
by Nate Silver @ 2:53 PM
A landmark of sorts was achieved today as CNN just came out with a poll showing a 52 percent majority of Americans agreed with the statement that "gays and lesbians should have a constitutional right to get married and have their marriage recognized by law as valid." Some 46 percent of respondents disagreed with the statement.
CNN also asked the question in a slightly different way to half its respondents, omitting the term "should" from the question above, i.e. "Do you think gays and lesbians have a constitutional right to get married and have their marriage recognized by law as valid?". Using that phrasing, 49 percent said yes and 51 percent said no.
Combining the two subsamples has 50.5 percent of Americans in support of gay marriage and 47.5 percent opposed: just about the barest possible majority. But a majority nevertheless, something that no previous poll had shown. An ABC/Washington Post poll from April 2009 had come the closest, showing a 49/46 plurality in support of gay marriage rights; a few other polls had also shown gay marriage to the plurality position when respondents were given a three-way choice of marriage, civil unions, and no legal recognition. But no national poll, save for one debatable case with highly unorthodox phrasing, had shown it to the the majority position.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Aug 12, 2010 - 12:27am PT
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Why not? Per nature, man is designed for a woman, and vice versa. If we know say that an individual that wants to go against nature, and marry the same sex. Why would it not be plausible for a person who wishes to have multiple wives to have them. This is, of course, assuming that there is consent between all parties invloved. If we can say yes to an idea, that for all intents and purposes, is in contradiction to the natural design of humans.
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The above post is a perfect example of the argument most fundamentalist doctrine driven people use to write off homosexuals altogether. The fundamentalist position depends entirely on denyingthe very existence of homosexuals as a distinct group. That is, to a fundy, there is no such thing as a natural, God created homosexual. No such animal exist. Ever or at all. Homos are simply heterosexuals who are either perverted, deluded, or simply don't know who they are or what they were made for.
The problem with is it is a concept concocted by people who don't understand the most basic things about human behavior. People in the recovery movement know damn well that your actual behavior tells the truth about a person's basic makeup. If you have basically 10 to 12 % of the human population that are attracted to and do the rub-a-dub with the same sex, you can bet your ass that this brand of sexuality is entirely natural (pre-cognititive, instinctual and involuntary) to this demographic.
JL
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 12, 2010 - 09:40am PT
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How is an ignorant piece of sh#t NOT defined by what they say?
An ignorant piece of sh#t says what he thinks and believes.
There is a big difference between being stupid and being ignorant.
Stupid means not capable of learning.
Ignorance means not having the experience, age, factual knowledge to be make
better informed, mature, and more correct decisions.
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Jingy
Social climber
Nowhere
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Aug 12, 2010 - 11:12am PT
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Jolly - "Per nature, man is designed for a woman, and vice versa. If we know say that an individual that wants to go against nature, and marry the same sex"
What is so natural about marriage?
I understand that there are animals out there that bed down with one mate for life... But the overwhelming majority don't...
think again
Just on this page Edit: Norton - "How is an ignorant piece of sh#t NOT defined by what they say?
An ignorant piece of sh#t says what he thinks and believes.
There is a big difference between being stupid and being ignorant.
Stupid means not capable of learning.
Ignorance means not having the experience, age, factual knowledge to be make better informed, mature, and more correct decisions."
wow.. thanks.. well defined words you have introduced to the conversation... Thanks for your input..
next...
(Troll)
Weschrist - "However, if it is restricted to consenting ADULTS, the rampant child abuse is curbed, and they stop collecting welfare for 5 wives and 50 children... I see no problem with it."
Thanks.. you posted the words I was thinking..
Pate - "hypocritical Christians"
is there any other kind? This applies to most religous types as far as I can tell... or from what I've experienced. But, there too.. I have to accept their blind "belief" and move on... just like I do with most humans I encounter in life... Which I purposfully limit on a daily basis...
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bluering
Trad climber
CA
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Aug 12, 2010 - 12:22pm PT
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Wasn't love meant to be universal?
It is.
Just like I love my dog. Doesn't mean I should marry my dog though.
Shoot, I even love you, man. Doesn't mean I should marry you and start tongue-kissing you though...
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apogee
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Aug 12, 2010 - 12:25pm PT
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Hey, bluering-
Have you bothered to read the 14th Amendment yet? Or are you still just shooting off your hateful, ignorant mouth?
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Gene
Social climber
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Aug 12, 2010 - 12:29pm PT
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Let's get back on topic, K?
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bluering
Trad climber
CA
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Aug 12, 2010 - 12:29pm PT
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spray away, boys....
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apogee
climber
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Aug 12, 2010 - 12:31pm PT
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So I'll take that as a 'No, I haven't bothered to read it'?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 12, 2010 - 01:10pm PT
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If government, through the courts, does NOT "get involved", then exactly
how does the "rights" of US citizens get protected, enacted, and insured?
Maybe rioting in the streets?
Maybe just ignoring the issue and hoping it will go away somehow?
Every right we have in this country was and continues to be protected by "government"
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Gene
Social climber
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Aug 12, 2010 - 04:16pm PT
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Judge Sets End to Ban on Gay Marriage in California
Just a week after ruling that Proposition 8 – a 2008 voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage – was unconstitutional, a federal district judge lifted a stay on his decision on Thursday, opening the door for untold numbers of gay couples to marry in the nation’s most populous state. But he delayed implementation of the order to lift his stay until Aug. 18.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/13/us/13prop.html?_r=1&hp
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