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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 8, 2016 - 10:24pm PT
In that story I linked, the rancher talks about young people being assigned to oversee things, people with no ranching experience, and how difficult it can be to deal with them.

I've dealt with a lot of such youngsters, and it seems to me the actual operative thing is that they don't have ranching experience, so they go by the rules, instead of the "go along to get along" attitude of older guys who have lived in the community.


Ranchers often DONT take care of the land in a sustainable way.

Up on the Golden Trout Wilderness, where I sometimes do volunteer work, Monache Meadow, the largest meadow in the Sierra, has basically been destroyed by the cattle. What was once verdant fields of hip-tall native grasses, has been replaced by sagebrush, mainly by cattle damage. It's enough to make you cry.

What is particularly irksome, is that this is the home of the Golden Trout, whose habitat is gradually being destroyed by the cattle, grazing the streambanks and eroding and silting out the breeding gravel. Cattle can be raised anywhere, but this place is our heritage.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 8, 2016 - 10:31pm PT
The Armed Oregon Ranchers Who Want Free Land Are Already Getting A 93 Percent Discount

From 538
Dave

Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
Jan 9, 2016 - 09:09am PT
" Every square millimeter of land in the Americas not presently owned by native tribes was taken by the Federal government or white, or Mormon, and a very few black, settlers. With only very small exceptions it was not purchased from the original inhabitants. We are all "freeloading" off the aboriginal peoples."

Who was the original inhabitant? The "firsts nations" immigrated here too.

Then they stole land from each other for millennia. Then they lost to someone else...

That's how the cookie crumbles.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jan 9, 2016 - 09:19am PT
That's how the cookie crumbles.

So.... Bundy should sweep up his crumbs and go home, eh?
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Jan 9, 2016 - 09:34am PT
DMT - Just wanted to let you know that when I read your posts, I often hear them being said in either the voice of the good sheriff, Andy Taylor or else Jed Clampett. I mean that in a good way. Both those characters were great.
golsen

Social climber
kennewick, wa
Jan 9, 2016 - 01:19pm PT
If you recall, way back, I had a recipe for containing this and ending it.

Now its escalating.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/heavily_armed_security_detail.html#incart_big-photo

If the feds dont do anything, then a lot of these crazies will be emboldened further. The feds have given no response to contain this. Crazy.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2016 - 01:40pm PT
The comedy marathon might be "winding down"

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/oregon_standoff_fbi_stages_at.html#incart_big-photo
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Jan 9, 2016 - 02:08pm PT
Lollie
What do the folks internationally think about these posers????


SteveW.
Nothing much. After searching awhile I finally did find one article. The article mostly just describes that they occupy a bird sanctuary on federal land. One gets the feeling the reporter finds them both incredible and highly amusing - and rather astounded that the authorities gave up and let Cliven Bundy get away with not paying for letting his animals graze on federal lad. She also states that "The local sheriff doesn't think the occupants has benign purposes".

I saw a post on Facebook, which made fun of them.

News about USA right now are:
 "Joaquín ”El Chapo” Guzmán has been caught and will most likely be turned over to USA, who has previously asked for this.
 A big cat with extra teeth has been killed on the border of Idaho and Utah. A deformity not seen before.
 USA sent a super missile wrong, sent it to Cuba instead of Florida. That worries your military a lot, it's full of sensitive technology you don't want to be spread.
There's more, but you get the gist.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jan 9, 2016 - 02:44pm PT
That doesn't look like much of an LEO presence. One sat truck with a sticker on it. Looked like Homeland Security, but I couldn't tell.

The feds have time on their sides. The armed militia members only have bullets to eat. They will get hungry, head into town, and hopefully get picked up one by one.

However, I doubt if even that is happening.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 9, 2016 - 03:04pm PT

Banquo

climber
Amerricka
Jan 9, 2016 - 03:23pm PT
I bet Putin and spetsnaz would have cleared this up days ago.

That doesn't look like much of an LEO presence.

Drones don't need boots on the ground. Have ever seen what a hellfire missile can do?

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dirtbag

climber
Jan 9, 2016 - 03:40pm PT
Now its escalating

Great.

Even the Bundyites don't want them.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jan 9, 2016 - 04:05pm PT

Thanks, Lollie.
Nice to know how the world feels about things. . .
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Jan 9, 2016 - 04:12pm PT
That cat picture is freaky.

I have read that sometimes babies were started at twins, but early along one of the fetus' "absorbs" the other. I would guess that is what this is a case of.


DMT - I loved both of them too. Read somewhere recently that originally Jed was going to be portrayed as a stereotypical dumb hillbilly, and Buddy Epson refuse to take the part unless they made him be a man who was actually damned savvy(which Jed was). But I guess Max Baer didn't have such scruples.

edit: Just looked at his wkipedia page and he was originally to play the Tin Man on "The Wizard of Oz," but developed aluminum toxicity from the makeup and had to drop out.
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Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Jan 9, 2016 - 05:39pm PT
I've been reading quite a few articles now, on the background of these people. I must admit I don't understand. They've been doing a lot of criminal acts and no authority seems to do anything about it.

There's got to be something which isn't told, a fact which explains why the feds simply doesn't demand payment, reclaim federal land, throw them into jail. They even attacked law enforcement people and kicked a police dog. It really doesn't make any sense. Is it corruption?

WBraun

climber
Jan 9, 2016 - 05:41pm PT
They've been doing a lot of criminal acts and no authority seems to do anything about it.


They learned from their own country.

The US has been doing a lot of criminal acts all over the planet and no authority seems to do anything about it.

This thread is full of nothing but hypocrites .....
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Jan 9, 2016 - 05:47pm PT
Uhhh, Werner. You've been posting in the thread yourself, ya know.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jan 9, 2016 - 05:53pm PT
The Feds are waiting for Hillary to be coronated then they will peacefully take the guns away from the militia members...In the mean time the militia is surviving off Jack in the box drive thru...
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Jan 9, 2016 - 05:53pm PT
Honestly, it does sound as these people rather belonged in some mental compound.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jan 9, 2016 - 06:32pm PT

Jan 9, 2016 - 05:47pm PT
Uhhh, Werner. You've been posting in the thread yourself, ya know.

Go easy on him. He's probably one of the transient residents during his migrations.

He doesn't like it if you point out he was smoking during a fire ban.
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