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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 15, 2015 - 05:56pm PT
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What's it say about the Republican Party when the two most sensible candidates on the debate floor are the two ends because they are the least popular.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 15, 2015 - 06:12pm PT
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A lot, HFCS.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Dec 15, 2015 - 06:24pm PT
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I'd put Jeb Bush in the sensible column. Certainly less scary than most of the rest. Especially Cruz. Dude's frightening.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 15, 2015 - 06:40pm PT
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So far Trump wants to use our "best people' to close down regions of the internet and then penetrate them to learn as much about ISIS as we can, Fiorina says that the Obamacare website would have been built cheaply and easily if we had just asked top tech companies to do it, Cruz wants to carpet bomb Syria, everyone wants to close our borders to the civilians fleeing the carpet bombing of their cities and Rubio wants a better propaganda campaign to offset the message that we are sending by killing piles of civilians.
And Carson has mostly just complained about not being allowed to speak.
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John M
climber
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Dec 15, 2015 - 06:42pm PT
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Jeb Sensible? he just said we need a bigger military so that we have the strongest military in the world.. Don't we already have that..
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Dec 15, 2015 - 06:45pm PT
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I'm being generous, John. Compare to the lunacy coming out of the mouth of Trump, Rubio & Cruz, yes.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 15, 2015 - 06:47pm PT
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That's the most sensible thing that's been said so far.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 15, 2015 - 07:11pm PT
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This Star Wars theme to the GOP debate doesn't make sense.
Nine Darth Vaders?
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"Punch the Russians in the nose." -Kasich
I take it back - that post about sensible.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 15, 2015 - 07:24pm PT
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There can only be one.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 15, 2015 - 07:28pm PT
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Damn, I have the sudden sense that it's only a Democratic win that stands between us and WW III.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 15, 2015 - 08:30pm PT
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I watched about 90% of the spewing----I mean the debate.
They are almost all pitching the extreme conservative Republican part of their program-------or is it pogram?
One point they almost all ranted about is: the U.S. needs to increase military spending and lower taxes. Makes my brain hurt, but then that's my problem with listening to their agenda. I have a brain.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Dec 15, 2015 - 08:36pm PT
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Well, at least this time around we'd be able to kick the crap out of Germany...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 15, 2015 - 08:43pm PT
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I have to admit CNN did a masterful job of marginalizing the Republican field as warmongers and highlighting the inhomogenities of their policy positions in the debates first half. I noticed a huddle of candidates at a near midpoint break. After this they weren't played as easily.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Dec 15, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
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CNN did a great job presenting a substantive debate thanks to Wolf Blitzer and conservative, Hugh Hewitt. It's hard for hardcore, ultra-righties who live on a steady diet of hate radio and Fox softball questions to see that, of course.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 15, 2015 - 08:52pm PT
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Agreed HFCS. Trump one by default again.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Dec 15, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
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Trump was his usual ignorant, thin-skinned self, which means his ignorant, thin-skinned supporters will love it.
I hope they nominate him or Cruz. Hillary beats those 2 fearmongers easily. Both of them are threats to the country.
Bush or Rubio are the only 2 that can keep it close. Bush had the best night of the bunch, followed by Rubio.
The GOP's day of reckoning is coming. Can't wait.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 15, 2015 - 09:16pm PT
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It's interesting to see how the tone of the GOP has changed since the last Bush-Gore debate of the 2000 presidential campaign.
Bush was sweetly, as a "compasionate conservative," arguing for the U.S. to not be Policeman to the world.
Obviously 9/11/2001 changed his mind, and the Republican party.
GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH: I’m not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say this is the way it’s got to be. We can help. And maybe it’s just our difference in government, the way we view government. I mean I want to empower people. I want to help people help themselves, not have government tell people what to do. I just don’t think it’s the role of the United States to walk into a country and say, we do it this way, so should you.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics-july-dec00-for-policy_10-12/
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 15, 2015 - 09:39pm PT
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I know it would remove a lot of back-and-forth banter keeping this thread going, but if a defender of the CP21 Agreement could describe what happens to a signatory that fails to meet the goals specified, that would be a good start.
It would also be interesting to know what happens if any of the estimated 55 countries that need some sort of ratification fail to obtain that ratification.
My view, based on the summaries I've read, is that this looks more like belling the cat than accomplishing its goal. I've seen a lot of comparisons to Kennedy's call to land a man on the moon. Part of that comparison seems apt to me: the goal is out there. Part of that comparison doesn't fit, however: the cost of sending a man to the moon, compared with the cost of sufficient carbon reduction to reduce earth's temperature by 1.5 degrees celcius, is rather like comparing the cost of building a play house to the cost of building Versailles.
John, let me throw you this: What would have happened, if Kennedy had not gotten a man on the moon in the time frame?
And yet, you hold it out as a aspirational goal,,,as you should. We need such things. I suspect the answer to your underlying question is we did that, because that was all that we could get done right now.
Implicit in your reasoning, is that the global warming that is taking place is relatively trivial. In reality, it may be the most challenging thing that humans have ever faced.
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