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jonnyrig
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33,000 deaths by firearm total.
12,000 by homicide, the rest suicide.
300,000,000 guns in the US.
For a rate of:
12,000/300,000,000= 0.00004
That's 0.004% of all us guns, annually, that kill somebody, by murder.
Roughly doubled for suicides, that's 0.008%.
For comparison, there are rougly 250,000,000 motor vehicles.
30,000 deaths (accidents, naturally) annually for a rate of:
30,000/250,000,000= 0.012%
Considering that licensing, insurance, and multiple safety features are all mandatory in motor vehicles, it would appear that firearms are safer.
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WBraun
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Another active nutcase thread in progress .....
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philo
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2015 - 09:48am PT
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Yea sure Werner let's just sit like the three monkeys and not see, hear or speak. Not say anything about gun violence, environmental degradation, government corruption, the collapse of the honey bee population or any other significant issues facing us all. Let's just say phucket and let the world go.great! What could possibly go wrong. To quote Sgt Schultz, " I hear nothing, I see nothing". You are a stupid American.
So what are the Kardashians and thw Bieber up to anyway? Uninquiring minds want to know.
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jonnyrig
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Gee, and I thought you liked it when people backed things up with numbers. You are more likely to die in your car on your way to the crag, than at the hands of an armed aggressor. 3x more likely.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Periwinkle pussy cat...! yeah baby...!
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2015 - 10:15am PT
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Here jrig are some real numbers to counter your absurd assertion.
America's Top Killing Machine
Gun deaths are poised to surpass automobile deaths in the United States this year.
Ken/Flickr
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/01/americas-top-killing-machine/384440/#
ADRIENNE LAFRANCE
JAN 12, 2015 TECHNOLOGY
For the better part of a century, the machine most likely to kill an American has been the automobile.
Car crashes killed 33,561 people in 2012, the most recent year for which data is available, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Firearms killed 32,251 people in the United States in 2011, the most recent year for which the Centers for Disease Control has data.
But this year gun deaths are expected to surpass car deaths. That's according to a Center for American Progress report, which cites CDC data that shows guns will kill more Americans under 25 than cars in 2015. Already more than a quarter of the teenagers—15 years old and up—who die of injuries in the United States are killed in gun-related incidents, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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See...Life can be fun when you're a stupid American drooling on a hot dog...Bring me the Judge..
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dishonest Dirtbag? Exactly when did reality become dishonest. Jonny has provided the stats, Chief separated the suicides from the homocides, TGT provided recent testimonials of criminal homocides prevented by law abiding gun owners.
And what have you guys got but electronic lips endlessly repeating programmed progressive talking points. Look at phillos leftist laundry list above as a perfect example.
Be honest, you've been brainwashed into a vision of utopia that identifies all who oppose these implanted ideas as your number 1 right wing enemies.
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philo
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2015 - 10:20am PT
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"Leftist laundry list"?
WTF?? Are you brain dead or just ignorant?
Your circle jerk bois didn't post up facts just lies and false conjectures.
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jonnyrig
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Absurd? Yeah, ok. If you dont want to commit suicide with a gun, dont buy one. The next most succesful way to off yourself is by asphyxiation. So, you know, burn your rope. It would be as effective as removing guns, cause thats all we need to do to prevent suicide- remove the tool. Thats the gist of your argument. Absurd? Maybe. By the numbers? You betcha.
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philo
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2015 - 10:28am PT
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That's not the"gist" of my argument that is your predetermined bias.
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jonnyrig
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Oh sorry, i suppose i was ignoring your "gun owners are knuckle-dragging morans" gripe. Theres nothing predetermined about it. Just browsing what you write. If thats not your gist, perhaps you should change your rhetoric to more accurately represent your opinion.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Braindead, ah no. I'm what your programming has determined for you as a right winger. You are owned by a political movement that if fully implemented will grind you, your family and your friends up and spit you out the side. Environmental degradation, honey bees, guns, differing thoughts ;all twisted and wrung free of facts then inserted into the few brain cells still functioning inside your thick skull.
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philo
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2015 - 10:51am PT
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I don't believe I've ever specifically said " gun owners are knuckle draggers". I have often referred to a sub set of conservatives as mouth breathing knuckle draggers. Now if you chose to self associate or feel a guilt by association then that is on you.
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jonnyrig
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Uh, no. Im just generalizing. Im sure you,re familiar with that. Your posts are just so singular and redundant i thought i,d offer up a slightly different point of view, you know, for the hell of it. Mix it up a little. Anyway, things to see, people to do, guns to shoot. Have a nice day.
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dirtbag
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Dishonest Dirtbag? Exactly when did reality become dishonest. Jonny has provided the stats, Chief separated the suicides from the homocides, TGT provided recent testimonials of criminal homocides prevented by law abiding gun owners.
Yes.
Sure, vehicles are used to kill people.
But how many vehicle deaths are violent, i.e., occurring as a result of someone intentionally setting out to kill someone else, and not accidental? Maybe 500 or 1000/year?
Guns are one of the most efficient ways to kill people. To say that someone could use another device to kill another human, while true, glosses over the fact that more efficient killing devices will have a larger impact.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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"But how many vehicle deaths are violent, i.e., occurring as a result of someone intentionally setting out to kill someone else, and not accidental? Maybe 500 or 1000/year?"
Almost every single person killed by a car is killed completely by accident. Despite the best of efforts, the killer cars were totally out of control. As far as machines go, that makes the car far more dangerous than a gun.
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philo
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2015 - 11:33am PT
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Wrong again ChazMo.
Here jrig are some real numbers to counter your absurd assertion.
America's Top Killing Machine
Gun deaths are poised to surpass automobile deaths in the United States this year.
Ken/Flickr
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/01/americas-top-killing-machine/384440/#
ADRIENNE LAFRANCE
JAN 12, 2015 TECHNOLOGY
For the better part of a century, the machine most likely to kill an American has been the automobile.
Car crashes killed 33,561 people in 2012, the most recent year for which data is available, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Firearms killed 32,251 people in the United States in 2011, the most recent year for which the Centers for Disease Control has data.
But this year gun deaths are expected to surpass car deaths. That's according to a Center for American Progress report, which cites CDC data that shows guns will kill more Americans under 25 than cars in 2015. Already more than a quarter of the teenagers—15 years old and up—who die of injuries in the United States are killed in gun-related incidents, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.
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