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The Chief
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Nov 18, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
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So Gary, why should we take in these Syrian refugees that are a result of an ongoing civil war that we have absolutely NOTHING to do with? Why.
And do you agree with Obama that ASSAD should go and a regime change is necessary in order to achieve peace there?
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 18, 2015 - 06:45pm PT
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Meanwhile, the presumed GOP nominee is too busy raising $$$ to show much interest.
Rubio misses Paris hearing for fundraising; did attend classified briefing Tuesday
At 10 a.m. Wednesday, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee went behind closed doors for a briefing titled, “The Aftermath of Paris: America’s Role.” But Sen. Marco Rubio was not there. The Florida Republican is on his way to California for fundraising.
The absence illustrates how Rubio is not just missing floor votes but also key hearings on national security and foreign policy -- issues he has presented as chief credentials of his presidential campaign. He's also skipping a Paris briefing this afternoon for all senators. His office said he attended an Intelligence Committee meeting on Paris held Tuesday.
In recent months Rubio has missed a slew of Foreign Relations hearings and classified briefings, records show, aiding his critics.
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/rubio-misses-briefing-on-paris-attacks-for-fundraising/2254468
In January, Rubio missed an intelligence briefing on ISIS and two other classified briefings because he was fundraising in California. In April he missed a closed Intelligence Committee briefing while in Texas raising money. And in September he missed a Foreign Relations hearing on the humanitarian crisis in the Middle East.
Records show Rubio missed numerous hearings in the years before he announced for president. Those meetings covered a range of issues, from Al Qaeda to Iran and embassy security.
Rubio has said that he gets regular briefings from staff and sends surrogates to meetings he cannot attend. His office said Wednesday that a day earlier he attended an Intelligence Committee meeting on the Paris attacks. Such meetings typically are more in-depth and contain higher classified information than other briefings, such as the one for all senators today.
But he has exposed himself to criticism from all sides.
“While the rest of the world is focused on the terror attacks in Paris, Rubio is skipping critical briefings on national security to focus on high-dollar fundraisers,” said Christina Freundlich, a DNC spokeswoman. “Marco Rubio has a responsibility to do his job for his constituents and the nation as a United State Senator. If he doesn’t have time to be a senator while running for president, he should resign and give the job to someone who can actually focus on the threats we face. He excuses his poor voting record by saying the votes he misses don’t matter, but it’s especially galling when he’s missing national security briefings in order to attend ritzy West Coast fundraisers.”
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The Chief
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Nov 18, 2015 - 06:49pm PT
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El Jefe, your Hillary/vet rant was silly. She'll be a strong advocate for our veterans.
How? By filling us with a bunch of her bullshet lies like telling a bunch of V-Vets last week in New Hampshire how she tried to join the Marine Corps in 1975 but was turned down and in doing so completely understands our plight?
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Nov 18, 2015 - 07:12pm PT
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So Gary, why should we take in these Syrian refugees that are a result of an ongoing civil war that we have absolutely NOTHING to do with? Why.
Human compassion. "The idea that some lives matter less is the root of all that's wrong with the world." -- Paul Farmer
And do you agree with Obama that ASSAD should go and a regime change is necessary in order to achieve peace there?
It's none of our business. they need to find their own way. If we stop meddling, it can only help.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Nov 18, 2015 - 07:23pm PT
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Chief, sometimes it's worth taking a step back. Maybe going fishing for a day, and thinking a bit, instead of just lashing out at anyone and everyone.
Susan, and I'd bet virtually everyone who posts here, agrees with you that US veterans deserve far, far more than they're getting.
But if you can't control yourself from bringing the hammer down on anyone who doesn't agree absolutely with every single word you say, then you are increasing the problem, not bringing the solution.
We all see the guys on the corner with the cardboard sign saying "Homeless vet. Anything helps." I expect that most of us sometimes roll down the window and hand over a buck or a fiver. But when we do, we all have the same "How have we let it come to this" feeling that you do.
But blaming Obama -- or whatever politician du jour -- is a waste of time. It isn't Obama. Or "the Democrats." Or Bush. Or "the Republicans".
It's you. You the US citizen. The US citizen who turns a blind eye to all evil as long as "I got mine."
Until that changes, nothing will change.
The US is a land of plenty. As is Germany, Canada, Sweden, Singapore... We are rich beyond understanding. Taking care of veterans and doing our best to take care of people rendered homeless and helpless by war, disaeas, famine, religion, whatever, is easily within our reach. That we don't do it is not the fault of Barack Obama or George Bush.
You know that.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:31pm PT
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As a veteran myself, I feel the need to point out something very important about the care provided (or NOT provided) our veterans. When we enlist in any of the services (Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard) we enter a mutual and binding contract between the individual (enlistee) and the employer (U.S. Government). Then and only then, do we take the prescribed one step forward, raise our right hand, and take the oath. One of the responsibilities incurred by the "employer" involves the health care of the "employees." Given that lots of guys get sent to places not quite the garden spots of the planet, many incur lasting disabilities and long term heath issues lasting far beyond the period of enlistment. Many of my friends have lasting malaria, and other jungle related diseases from Viet Nam. Any guy who has been a combat zone suffers from PTSD in various levels of intensity. Being sent out to either kill or be killed isn't something we of the Western world take lightly as we have a reverence for life beyond that of some of the more barbaric cultures. Most if not all veterans need some form of assistance to get through life afterwards. I used the GI Bill to assist in getting my education.
We as a people should count ourselves very fortunate to have had these selfless men and women step forward when they were needed. Now it's time to repay them--pay our debt to those who are undoubtedly less fortunate than most of the blithering imbeciles posting on this forum. It was part of the contract that "We the People" entered in to them. I have no problems in seeing my tax dollars go to the veterans health care.
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couchmaster
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:38pm PT
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Sweden went from one of the lowest rape crime rates in the world to the highest in Europe as they let middle eastern immigrants in. Wonder why that is? #hotswedeshblondchicksneeditbad. But they were well vetted of course. Swedish women I mean, I don't know if the Muslims were.
"1 in 4 Swedish Women Will Be Raped as Sexual Assaults Increase 500%
Sweden now has the second highest number of rapes in the world, after South Africa, which at 53.2 per 100,000 is six times higher than the United States. Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped. " I know you're thinking, "Hey man, that's like, just numbers man". Uhh. OK. A little more reading info so you can discuss this rape epidemic caused by Muslims with a modicum of intelligence. Here: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/muslim_sacralized_rape_and_feminized_sweden.html
And here: http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/175434/1-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-sexual-assaults-daniel-greenfield
Of course, I'm not saying all Muslims are rapists. The 3year olds that the President was referencing in his speak certainly are not. Some of the men as well. The women, can't say.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 18, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
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chief: So Gary, why should we take in these Syrian refugees that are a result of an ongoing civil war that we have absolutely NOTHING to do with? Why.
We have absolutely EVERYTHING to do with it.
Re: Swedish rape stats - http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372
And very little thinking goes on the American Thinker and the Swedish Rape meme is circulating widely among rightwing, far right and fringe right websites as a case of those misguided socialists getting what they deserve.
Our women avoid them, not just because they are unattractive and slightly primitive in their ways, but it has become well known that rapes have been occurring in peripheral roads when our women come home from their jobs. Our governments have been too welcoming and lax at our borders, especially when it comes to filtering those individuals that come to our country to work from those that expect to live here without doing anything, or even worse as criminals”.
[ From a 1912 tract against Italian immigrants... ]
Same sh#t different day.
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The Chief
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Nov 18, 2015 - 10:12pm PT
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 18, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
We have absolutely EVERYTHING to do with it.
OK, I'll bite.... What do we, the US, have to do with the Civil War in Syria that began in 2011, Healyje?
The Syrian Civil War (Arabic: الحرب الأهلية السورية) is an ongoing international armed conflict taking place in Syria. The unrest began in the early spring of 2011 within the context of Arab Spring protests, with nationwide protests against President Bashar al-Assad's government, whose forces responded with violent crackdowns. The conflict gradually morphed from prominent protests to an armed rebellion after months of military sieges.
More than four million refugees of the Syrian Civil War have left the country during the course of the war. Most of them fled to neighboring Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq, while thousands also ended up in more distant countries of the Caucasus, the Persian Gulf, North Africa and Europe. As of February 2015, Turkey has become the world's biggest refugee hosting country with 2.1 million Syrian refugees and had spent more than US$6 billion on direct assistance to refugees.
The refugee crisis began in 2011, when thousands of Syrian citizens fled across the border to neighboring Turkey and Lebanon.
Why all of sudden after four years and four million refugees later, we are going to take in some of them?
It's you. You the US citizen. The US citizen who turns a blind eye to all evil as long as "I got mine."
Ah, don't include me in that group, Ghost. I am one of them Vets and I spend at a min one day a week helping my fellow Vets. I have done so since the day I retired from the Navy after 24 years, in 99'.
How much of YOUR time Ghost, Susan, etc, per week do you give in service to assist Vets of all kinds?
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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Nov 18, 2015 - 10:22pm PT
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I know I'm 4 pages too late here but I've seen this pic up in quite a few places over the web.
Be careful about source. Brookings Institute is bad sh!t. Look it up. The Military Industrial Complex is in full swing here praying upon fear for coin. Obviously they consider France a catalyst.
Sorry for disrupting the flow of the thread.
What is the Brookings Institute exactly and why do suggestions from this think tank and others like it, matter?
The Brookings Institute is an influential think tank that has a revolving door of personnel with the US government and major corporations. All that one needs to do is look at its trustees and executives, which include interlocked directorships with the Carlyle Group, Goldman Sachs, and JP Morgan Chase.
Brookings also has ties to Israel and a full branch dedicated to Washington’s Middle East strategies and policies called the Saban Centre for Middle East Policy. Martin Indyk – the former US ambassador to Israel, a former high-level lobbyist for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), and the founder of AIPAC’s research arm (the Washington Institute for Near East Policy) – is the Director of the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at Brookings. Like Indyk, Kenneth Pollack was involved in shaping the Middle East policies of the Clinton Administration.
It is also worth noting that the Brookings Institute’s Saban Center is named after US-Israeli businessman and media mogul Haim Saban. Saban himself is on the board of trustees for Brookings.
There is a Qatari connection too. One may remember that Washington was hostile towards Al Jazeera when it first emerged as a news broadcaster, because of its coverage of US actions in the Middle East.
Saban tried to buy half of the Al Jazeera network from Qatar in 2004 and 2009, but failed. In the same timeframe as the 2003 Anglo-American invasion of Iraq, the first set of negotiations happened when he went to Qatar with Bill Clinton in 2003.
It is possible that Brookings may have played a role in pacifying Al Jazeera. In 2009, the Institute setup an overseas branch in Qatar called the Brookings Doha Center. The new chapter in Doha included Qatar’s ruling Al-Thani family alongside people like Madeleine Albright, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Fareed Zakaria as chairs and advisors.
It was in the same year that the Brookings Institute published a report, which included Pollack and Indyk as authors, called Which Path to Persia? The report outlined a map for confronting Iran and alluded to the neutralization of Syria, in one way or another (including the procurement of a peace agreement with Damascus by Israel), to “mitigate blowback” from Lebanon’s Hezbollah and the Palestinians, specifically Hamas, as a prerequisite for an enabling an attack on Iran.
All in all, the ideas that come out of the Brookings Institute are discussed at the highest levels within policymaking and corporate circles.
Sam Walton and co are buying big boy toys. Stay awake. They're going long boys...
http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/tag/brookings-institute/
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 18, 2015 - 10:39pm PT
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Seriously? You may bite, but if you haven't figured it out on your own by now then I question your ability to chew. Now if only all wars could be fought in neat isolation and without messy downstream consequences as you seem to believe happened in Iraq. Tidy, if not surgical, in a word because we're just that damn good.
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The Chief
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Nov 18, 2015 - 10:47pm PT
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 18, 2015 - 10:39pm PT
Seriously? You may bite, but if you haven't figured it out on your own by now then I question your ability to chew. Now if only all wars could be fought in neat isolation and without messy downstream consequences as you seem to believe happened in Iraq. Tidy, if not surgical, in a word because we're just that damn good.
You haven't answered the question. Seriously!
What does the US (Iraq War) have anything to do with the four and half year CIVIL WAR in Syria between Shia(Assad govt) and Sunni, and the 4.2 Million Syrian Refugees that stem from that conflict, Healyje?
Hint: Absolutely NOT a fking thing. Nada!
EDIT: BUT, Your POTUS is all for removing Assad from Power just as GWB did with Hussein.
AND! Look at Libya now AFTER Obama and Hilldabeast got rid of Gaddafi. It is now under the control of... ISIS. How many 100's of thousands have died because of that regime change by those two?
Oh, but that one is A-OK cus Obama/Clinton did it.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Nov 18, 2015 - 11:11pm PT
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Sounds like some "smart" person in the State Department needs to figure out a way of pitting Shia against Sunni in some balanced state where neither side can get the upper hand. Isn't that the way the Victorian Brits used to handle those kind of nasty conflicts within their Empire during the 19th century?
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The Chief
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:45am PT
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Ah, wtf does that matter Spiny? Seriously?
Home grown ISIS Jihadists are no different than Syrian based ISIS Jihadists as this recent Paris attack clearly shows. This new revelation just makes it more concurring to be suspicious of all Muslim Young Men that may have been influenced by this ISIS Caliphate mania.
It is now obvious and just proves that they, ISIS/ISIL, are not "Contained" nor have they ever been as our totally ignorant POTUS told us and the world not less than six hours prior to the Paris attack last Friday.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:58am PT
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Ah, wtf does that matter Spiny? Seriously?
Because many on this thread are suggesting that if we let in Syrian refugees, the bulk or a plurality will be terrorists. This fear-frothing is triggered by the Paris attacks. But all of the known attackers were European citizens.
It's pathetic, trembling xenophobia.
These are the same people who would have been gung ho for the Japanese internment camps. Or, if they'd been born in Poland or Austria around 1900…
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The Chief
climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 07:08am PT
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Hey Spiny, what part of my last post did YOU not get???
"Home grown ISIS Jihadists are no different than Syrian based ISIS Jihadists as this recent Paris attack clearly shows. This new revelation just makes it more concurring to be suspicious of all Muslim Young Men that may have been influenced by this ISIS Caliphate mania."
That means regardless if they are Syrian refugees or from Bumfuk Egypt or from...
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Nov 19, 2015 - 07:15am PT
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