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Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Dec 12, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
DMT, That's just what I was thinking.

As for frying in 250 million years, the hairless apes (not monkeys) are going to do themselves in long before that.

There won't be much left to fry by the time we get through with our mass extinctions.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Dec 12, 2014 - 12:23pm PT

Thomas Piketty Discusses, "Capital In The 21st Century" with Ryan Grim and Alexis Goldstein

This guy is the next Smith, Keynes, Friedman... He is the first to use objective data, not just opinion or ivory tower philosophy, to look at wealth and economies. A Nobel will be coming. It seems that most of the commenters have neither read his book nor understand what he has said; they are stuck in the old political rhetoric. It will take time, but they say we are all governed by long dead economists...

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Tvash

climber
Seattle
Dec 12, 2014 - 12:23pm PT
Considering how many species have made it that long - not many multicellular ones, that's probably a sound bet.

Robots. They're coming for us.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Dec 12, 2014 - 12:25pm PT
250 million years is also a loooooong time for another apex predator with superior technology to find us.

THAT always goes well.

But we'll probably create our own superior apex predator real soon.

Military killbots. So hawt right now. Why put our men and women in uniform in harm's way?

Support the Troops!

Oops.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 12, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
The earth made up of colliding asteroids ain't it?
Asteroids are good ,no?
You did say one delivered us RNA, right?
We should be hoping one drops in with some new strand, or energetic element.
Aren't you out there harnessed to one trying to bring it back?
Make up ur mind are they good or bad?
Maybe take all that/our money and go down and fix Ebola or Aids instead?
build some hospitals and some science schools while ur there. In the places that we are most ceptceptible to this crap. Something that matters now!

Look how much money we've given you to save us from earthquakes. What has that got us, a number on a scale after the fact! Wow

and you want how much to save us from global warming? Which is an Effect from the Cause of you refining FossilFuel. Let the refiners pay for it!

The "you" that i am ranting to are the Phenotypes
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Dec 12, 2014 - 01:04pm PT
"Good" or "Bad" is a religious concept - necessary to maintain the "Us" versus "Them" paradigm.

I don't subscribe to it, personally.

Things just are.

And no, we have no evidence that asteroids brought RNA to earth.

I could go into what they (chondritic meteorites, more accurately) have brought to earth, but given a certain person's apparent lack of interest to learn any biological basics, that would be another waste of time.

What has studying earthquakes brought us? Cities that don't burst into flames and collapse instantly whenever there's a temblor, emergency response systems, and technology to peer under the surface of our planet and others. Other than that...not much.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 12, 2014 - 01:21pm PT

"Good" or "Bad" is a religious concept - necessary to maintain the "Us" versus "Them" paradigm.

seems evolutionary. Feathers on dinosaurs, Good for flight! Scales, Bad!

and i think you better ask Fruity about the RNA dealy. Maybe it was a Comet(The one's with long hair)?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 12, 2014 - 01:28pm PT

"Atheism, just another Phenotype"

there's got to be a t-shirt deal in one of these. to make up for the work i missed today
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Dec 12, 2014 - 01:38pm PT
Probably not, considering that you've been misusing the word "phenotype".

Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Dec 12, 2014 - 02:04pm PT
Sounds like karma to me.
WBraun

climber
Dec 12, 2014 - 02:08pm PT
Other people are believers in spite of evidence and logic.

You do not have the evidence nor the logic to prove that.

Thus again "No one knows" except YOU of course since YOU are the so called expert.

You people always claim logic and reason but at the same time your own so called logic and reason is so highly defective and hypocritical.
MikeL

Social climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 12, 2014 - 02:33pm PT
HFCS: . . . perception, thought, belief lead to behavior, like the latter they are selected for or selected against.

You’ve opened up a can of worms. You’re never going to be able to get them back in.

You’ve just recognized that there is a social world in addition to the physical world. If evolution occurs in it (and why shouldn’t it?), then you open a world that is amenable to perception, thought, and belief itself.

So, let’s see, . . . how’d that work? How do you get both worlds to jibe with each other with precision at every point of contact? If they do jibe, then how do the “causes” and “effects” interact dynamically? How does one output become consonant or transferable into the other’s input? Or, wait, must outputs match-up and inputs match-up? How does it work?

You might as well be trying to earn Largo’s mythical million-dollar award for showing how subjectivity transduces into objectivity.

This is a philosophy of science problem. Incommensurability. It could be a paradox. It could also be an indication of the true nature of reality. How is it possible that causes, effects, variables appear (at least scientifically, viz., conceptually) so very different in different domains? That could mean that someone is REALLY wrong. Or, it could suggest the true nature of reality.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 12, 2014 - 03:39pm PT

genotype (G) + environment (E) + genotype & environment interactions (GE) → phenotype (P)

(G)= you

(E)= christians

(GE)= you & chrisyians buttin heads

(P)= Atheism
MikeL

Social climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 12, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
Moosedrool:

Pardon my interruption, but are you be willing to entertain (validity, relevance, meaningfulness, insight) an allegory, a metaphor, an interpretation about a story?

P.S. Nice story.
WBraun

climber
Dec 12, 2014 - 04:17pm PT
Believe

to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so.

Without absolute proof why waste time believing.

Material science doesn't believe absolute proof.

Just keep believing in whatever, your whole existence is based purely on "Belief".

You don't have absolute proof.

Therefore your whole post above is worthless.

Just keep your guessing, theorizing, making claims, Googling on the internet about stuff you really don't know and what to speak of an actual experience of it and just plain keep believing ......

WBraun

climber
Dec 12, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
moosedrool -- I don't judge people ...

Yes you do. You're lying to yourself if you say you don't.

Judging is always there, either in the mode of ignorance, passion, goodness or pure goodness.

There's no escape .....
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 12, 2014 - 05:12pm PT
look's like HFC booked

hope his universe hasn't crumbled around him')

has anyone ever even climbed with the guy?

how do we know he's not a little girl in china?
WBraun

climber
Dec 12, 2014 - 05:37pm PT
moosedrool try not to take offense.

Judging is very natural and you shouldn't take offense.

Although one will usually only run into trouble when judging in the modes of passion and ignorance.

We bet you only judge in the mode of goodness ...... :-)
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 12, 2014 - 09:00pm PT

You’ve just recognized that there is a social world in addition to the physical world. If evolution occurs in it (and why shouldn’t it?), then you open a world that is amenable to perception, thought, and belief itself.

didn't Fruity say somethin like; perception, thought, and belief directed Behavior?

but i think he was mixed up and talkin bout HIS everyday, free-will, choose what i want to do, Behavior?!

cause Nature's Evolution isn't supposed to have any beliefs, or thoughts! Right?

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 12, 2014 - 09:07pm PT
i think we may be at the root of all his evil..

Phenotype's
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