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Jingy
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Somewhere out there
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Nov 18, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
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Barry's been in bed with the big insurers since day one!
 Name me some republicans who are not in bed with Insurance.... And what about being in bed with big oil, big pharma, big auto, big finance, big law.....
Sorry.... me thinks berry really is the best of all evils that you and the world present to me.
Republicans are just bad human specimen
What does this sound like to you?
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:22pm PT
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I'm surprised there's no mention the Keystone Pipeline was defeated in the Senate today by one vote.
Think & spew what you want, but I believe: it is now a issue between the Koch brothers, who hold big a big chunk of the Canadian Oil Sands, (and of course own the Republican right with their bribes/donations), and those who would like to spite the Koch brothers and the Republican right.
Since the price of oil has declined to well below the cost of profitable Canadian Oil Sand production, we Koch-haters might hope they will suffer huge financial losses.
That is likely, but the Koch Corp. lawyers will make sure they don't suffer undue adverse effects.
I think we can count on the 2015 Congress passing the Keystone Pipeline approval bill and repealing Obamacare at least 20 or 30 more times in the next 2 years.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:27pm PT
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Let's wait and see what happens when the Republicans try to take away affordable health care from 11 million Americans , 70% of whom like and need the insurance..
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:18pm PT
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"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted." -Frank Herbert
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:08am PT
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Reagan was corrupt, too?
SHOCKING.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:16am PT
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Then on June 17, 1954, what was called "Operation Wetback" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html
Not sure what the answers are. Open borders? Should we just drop all immigration law? Or enforce the laws in existence? Crack down on employers?
I blame both parties.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2014 - 07:27am PT
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Really, both parties, Larry? In the past ten years, which party has largely been responsible for blocking any kind of moderate, bipartisan reform endorsed by many republicans?
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:52am PT
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Dirtbag,
If one party is responsible for blocking moderate reform, how can it be bi-partisan?
Ours is a system of checks and balances. You might dislike not having it all your own way, but you have to compromise with opposing views to get major legislation passed...most of the time.
(ACA passed because of Harry Reid's procedures to block the filibuster rule, if I remember correctly)
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2014 - 08:18am PT
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Jesus Larry, were you even paying attention last year?
In the summer of 2013 a bipartisan immigration bill (receiving, I believe, 68 votes) passed the Senate, only to die in the right wing controlled house without any discussion. Again Larry, this is not an instance of "both parties are too blame." It was killed by right wingers, who completely abdicated their responsibility to govern by refusing to even discuss the issue.
Before that, 10 years or so ago, right wingers in congress refused to seriously discuss moderate immigration proposals endorsed by the president (W).
Look it up Larry. One party, and only one party, is to blame on this one.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2014 - 08:37am PT
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"If one party is responsible for blocking moderate reform, how can it be bi-partisan?"
If one accepts this idea, then it follows that the oppositional party should be contributing something...anything...as an alternative to the other Party's bills.
Can you point to it?
Opposition without any kind of productive alternative ('self deportation' doesn't count) isn't leadership, Larry. It's a political strategy that is aimed at simply regaining power, and thwarting the interests of American people and the Constitution.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:51am PT
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^^^
Gruber's all the rage with the Fox crazies.
What a snoozer.
Now, lets get back to that non-existent ebola crisis...
or the non-existent $5/gal. gas...
or the non-existent 8% unemployment...
or the non-existent IRS scandal...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:00am PT
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“The biggest issue in the country is that we don't discuss the biggest issue in the country,” Sanders told me in his Senate office last week.
“How does it happen that today the economists tell us that 95% of all new income created in America goes to the top 1%? How does it happen that we have by far the most unequal distribution of wealth and income of any major country on Earth, where one family, the Walton family of Wal-Mart, owns more wealth than the bottom 40% of the American people? How does that happen, and what do we do about it?”
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:03am PT
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Gruber's all the rage with the Fox crazies.
What a snoozer.
You mean because we knew all along that they were selling the ACA through opacity, gaming the CBO, and in reliance on the stupidity of the American voter? Republicans certainly knew that, but I guess Democrats did, too.
Now, lets get back to that non-existent ebola crisis...
or the non-existent $5/gal. gas...
or the non-existent 8% unemployment...
or the non-existent IRS scandal
Oh, I forgot. None of the above ever happened. Our bad.
John
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:10am PT
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"None of the above ever happened. Our bad."
John, your status as a Republican is going to be revoked if you keep acknowledging reality and fact like that.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:42am PT
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:36am PT
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Another day for all these criminal politarded loon enablers here (the cranknutcases of America) to further destroy the world .....
This is a classic "Americans are stooopid" display.
Only in stoopid America can stooopid sh!t like this happen.
The criminal politarded loons of America are the enablers for this kind of stoopid sh!t.
Criminal politarded loons?
Yes YOU .... that's right .... YOU ......
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John M
climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
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Maybe I am a closet republican, but could someone explain what is so wrong with the keystone pipeline, since America already has a crisscross of pipelines? And since they changed the proposed route to avoid some sensitive areas?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Nov 19, 2014 - 12:09pm PT
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"Maybe I am a closet republican, but could someone explain what is so wrong with the keystone pipeline, since America already has a crisscross of pipelines? And since they changed the proposed route to avoid some sensitive areas?"
How does it benefit America/Americans?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 12:15pm PT
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I feel sorry for JElezarian. He's to the GOP as Gary is to the democrat party.... a very poor fit. :(
FYI, I've never registered Democrat, and am currently registered Peace and Freedom.
I would vote for Sanders in a primary, though, if he switches to the Dems.
As for John, the GOP left him a long time ago, methinks.
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